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The Best of Squadron Patches

Started by Pylon, January 09, 2006, 08:41:09 pm

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CadetProgramGuy


jimmydeanno

Quote from: Major Carrales on December 27, 2007, 04:58:50 am
Quote from: CadetProgramGuy on December 27, 2007, 04:48:55 am

Thanks!!  And they say CAPTalk doesn't do anything good..........

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Who says this?


It's ok Joe, your not as bad as everyone says you are...  ;D
If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law. - Winston Churchill

alamrcn

Quote from: CadetProgramGuy on December 27, 2007, 10:12:06 am
Making a joke.......


I know some Iowan Jokes! heh
Glad the website could help you get some shapes for your new patch.

I liked the WWII "Wolf" patch cut out with tabs, it really made the design jump out! And it's true, the shape doesn't make a diff on price - might actually be LESS because the patches are not as wide and would use less fabric. Bigger does provide for greater detail, but it could be made to a very acceptable quality for a size suitable to BDU pockets. Can't wait to see the final product, please mark me down for a few - I'll help recover some cost!

-Ace
MNWG




Ace Browning, Maj, CAP
History Hoarder
71st Wing, Minnesota

RiverAux

Regarding Corpus Christi patch -- do you have a direct line of historical connection between the current composite squadron and the old patrol base or are you assuming that because they're in the same town that they are connected? 

Gunner C

Quote from: jrsvf on December 26, 2007, 05:29:49 am
Here are two patches that I designed.  One is for the squadron I command (GA808) and the other is for GA Wing Group IV. Let me know what you think


I think they look great!  The only criticism is that (no matter what CAP says) only Army numbered corps have Roman numerals - i.e. XVIII Airborne Corps.  That's one of those hard and fast rules.

Gunner

Eclipse

Quote from: BuckeyeDEJ on December 15, 2007, 05:17:05 am
EDIT: I like the Louisiana Wing headquarters squadron patch, but according to AF guidelines, it should be the wing shield with the HQ SQ designation in the scroll. Maybe if someone whips out the AFI, I'll be corrected, but I believe that's correct. Maybe it's a good time to change the wing emblem to match!


Illinois just made an interesting change - the "Wing Patch" - (i.e. the one worn optionally by everyone on the BDU) will stay the traditional shaped eagle, but the "unit insignia" (i.e. worn by Wing staff on the BDU pocket) has been restylized into the standard shield shape.

ILWG has also created and posted specific guidelines for the creation of unit insignia, which has resulted in much cleaner, more professional designs and everyone meeting the standard.  Most of it comes right out of the Heraldry Institute's information.  http://ilcap.org/ilsups/ILWGP1.pdf



IceNine

Quote from: Eclipse on December 28, 2007, 01:54:40 am
Quote from: BuckeyeDEJ on December 15, 2007, 05:17:05 am
EDIT: I like the Louisiana Wing headquarters squadron patch, but according to AF guidelines, it should be the wing shield with the HQ SQ designation in the scroll. Maybe if someone whips out the AFI, I'll be corrected, but I believe that's correct. Maybe it's a good time to change the wing emblem to match!


Illinois just made an interesting change - the "Wing Patch" - (i.e. the one worn optionally by everyone on the BDU) will stay the traditional shaped eagle, but the "unit insignia" (i.e. worn by Wing staff on the BDU pocket) has been restylized into the standard shield shape.

ILWG has also created and posted specific guidelines for the creation of unit insignia, which has resulted in much cleaner, more professional designs and everyone meeting the standard.  Most of it comes right out of the Heraldry Institute's information.  http://ilcap.org/ilsups/ILWGP1.pdf


the mickey patch?
"All of the true things that I am about to tell you are shameless lies"

Book of Bokonon
Chapter 4

Major Carrales

Quote from: RiverAux on December 28, 2007, 12:40:00 am
Regarding Corpus Christi patch -- do you have a direct line of historical connection between the current composite squadron and the old patrol base or are you assuming that because they're in the same town that they are connected? 


All CAP is this Area is connected, this isn't the "OLD STATES" where units rise and fall in the same place.

They are our CAP ANCESTORS one way or the other and we will honor that link.  Most of the participants from that Costal Patrol were from Oklahoma, including Maj William G. Green of Tulsa who I am currently researching.

The date one our current Unit Charter is in Summer of 2007.  Yes, we have lost a lot of history, and I am getting it back with research in that I am a trained Historian.  But this patch is the first step in establishing the legacy of CAP in South Texas.

"We have been given the power to change CAP, let's keep the momentum going!"

Major Joe Ely "Sparky" Carrales, CAP
Commander
Coastal Bend Cadet Squadron
SWR-TX-454

RiverAux

I have to strongly disagree with this unilateral appropriation of the history of another unit then.  It goes against all conventions of military lineage and honors that I've ever heard of.  The only way to make it work is for CAP to formally reactivate that particular unit. 

Heck my state sent a whole bunch of people to coastal patrol bases -- maybe we need to declare one of our squadrons to be their descendant. 

Major Carrales

Quote from: RiverAux on December 28, 2007, 03:58:22 am
I have to strongly disagree with this unilateral appropriation of the history of another unit then.  It goes against all conventions of military lineage and honors that I've ever heard of. Heck my state sent a whole bunch of people to coastal patrol bases -- maybe we need to declare one of our squadrons to be their descendant. 


So be it, the patch goes forward into reality. 
"We have been given the power to change CAP, let's keep the momentum going!"

Major Joe Ely "Sparky" Carrales, CAP
Commander
Coastal Bend Cadet Squadron
SWR-TX-454

RiverAux

Too bad the CAP Historical Foundation or the National Historian can't have veto power over squadron patches.  This is a serious affront to our history and is much worse than those who get upset about whether it is right for patches to be round, shield-shaped, etc. 

Major Carrales

Quote from: RiverAux on December 28, 2007, 04:11:19 am
Too bad the CAP Historical Foundation or the National Historian can't have veto power over squadron patches.  This is a serious affront to our history and is much worse than those who get upset about whether it is right for patches to be round, shield-shaped, etc. 


So be it, the patch goes forward into reality. 
"We have been given the power to change CAP, let's keep the momentum going!"

Major Joe Ely "Sparky" Carrales, CAP
Commander
Coastal Bend Cadet Squadron
SWR-TX-454

JayT

Quote from: RiverAux on December 28, 2007, 04:11:19 am
Too bad the CAP Historical Foundation or the National Historian can't have veto power over squadron patches.  This is a serious affront to our history and is much worse than those who get upset about whether it is right for patches to be round, shield-shaped, etc. 


Well, lets modifiy it to say 'CAPR'

Would that help?
"Eagerness and thrill seeking in others' misery is psychologically corrosive, and is also rampant in EMS. It's a natural danger of the job. It will be something to keep under control, something to fight against."

JCJ

Another (SWR HQ Squadron)

IceNine

Mclean County Composite Squadron

GLR-IL-240...
Its scanned so it looks bad.... sorry
"All of the true things that I am about to tell you are shameless lies"

Book of Bokonon
Chapter 4

alamrcn

Quote from: Eclipse on December 28, 2007, 01:54:40 am
ILWG has also created and posted specific guidelines for the creation of unit insignia, which has resulted in much cleaner, more professional designs and everyone meeting the standard.  Most of it comes right out of the Heraldry Institute's information.  http://ilcap.org/ilsups/ILWGP1.pdf


Very interesting. There are at least two 39-1 wing supplements that have included something similar, but this is the first CAP publication to specifically approach heraldry that I've seen. Thanks for pointing out its location, the main wing site doesn't have a link to it.

I've added a copy of it to the Document Library at the CAP Patches website.
http://www.incountry.us/cappatches/library.html

I'm one who has never had an interest in creating standards or restrictions on a unit's emblem, however I applaud the education included in the pamphlet and believe members will benefit from the guidelines it contains. National has previously shown no interested in the past in doing something similar, but perhaps this publication might set them in a new direction.

There have been some really corny and unattractive patches, and there have been some very artistic and well thought out emblems in Civil Air Patrol. Whatever an outsider's opinion or preferences are, both types uniquely represent the members they were created for at that period in time. That is why I have set out to preserve examples of those patches for the last 15 years.

-Ace




Ace Browning, Maj, CAP
History Hoarder
71st Wing, Minnesota

jimmydeanno

March 15, 2008, 11:13:58 pm #336 Last Edit: March 15, 2008, 11:19:10 pm by jimmydeanno
Quote from: alamrcn on December 31, 2007, 02:10:45 am
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Ace,

This one is for you.

The attached .pdf document includes the three designs of the Seacoast Composite Squadron (NER-NH-010).  It also includes the patch request and approval from the patch design from 1983.

The First patch in the group (the one with the green blob on the side with NH) is the oldest of the three.  It still calls out the original squadron name "Portsmouth Squadron."  The green blob on the left is the seacoast profile of NH and the water is the Atlantic Ocean.  I'm sorry that I can't send it to you, its the only one that we know of in existence and will soon be finding its way into a frame with its brothers and sisters soon.

The Second Patch with the mountains is the one that goes with the approval letter.  Unfortunately I can not read the name of the Wing Commander, but intend to find out who it was.  I honestly can't tell you the meaning of the mountains because southeastern NH doesn't have any mountains.  However, this is the first patch design with the squadron's new name "Seacoast Squadron" which is more representative of the area we cover in NH.  If I recall, it was used up until 1999 or 2000.  You currently have this on your site (version 1). But now you have some history behind it.

The third patch is one already on your site in a few various color revisions (version 2a & 2b) but may need to be changed to version 3 :), which was caused by a change in manufacturer.  However, the patch started use in 2000 and was designed by Hans F. Maryak who is currently a Major in CAP.

Enjoy.

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If you have ten thousand regulations you destroy all respect for the law. - Winston Churchill

Sarge

Here is our new Sq patch...

CadetProgramGuy

Quote from: Sarge on March 16, 2008, 12:20:56 am
Here is our new Sq patch...


Ooooo....Jimmy Like!!   Great Awesome job!!

♠SARKID♠

Quote from: Sarge on March 16, 2008, 12:20:56 am
Here is our new Sq patch...


Looks awesome but blimey, good luck getting that detail onto thread...