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The Best of Squadron Patches

Started by Pylon, January 09, 2006, 08:41:09 pm

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Eclipse




DNall


This is the patch I swiped the outline from, not much silouette there. He said he wanted the green statue from the next town over or something like it, not so much the distinctive ANG version. He also siad under-stated semi-subdued colors. The wing set is off thier Wing patch which seems to be going away.

I'm happy to photoshop a little art for people now & then, maybe even be a little creative, but if there's specifics people want you have to give me that guidance.

ddelaney103

February 28, 2007, 10:05:47 pm #142 Last Edit: February 28, 2007, 10:14:14 pm by ddelaney103
Sorry about the confusion - I think there might be a lack of common terminology.  The patch shape you're using is a little non-standard.

This page: http://afhra.maxwell.af.mil/heraldry/chapter_two.html has the "standard" symbol shapes (round for sqdn and below, shield for Gp and above):  it also has some helpful suggestions on designing patches for the AF.

I posted on this before in a lot of detail back on pg 3 of this thread so I'll try to avoid repeating myself.  While there are no hard and fast rules in CAP designs, I think you're always better off making a distinctive patch that people will eventually associate with the unit instead of trying to put everything about the unit on the patch.  A simple patch can be fancied up for use in more detailed media - just look at all of the shirts 7.62 Design http://www.7point62design.com/ makes for Army units.

In the end, though, it's not my patch nor have I become the "patch police" - if the unit and the boss like it, that's really all that matters.

DNall

I appreciate the links & I am familiar with them...

The shape I'm using is standrd. Circle with banner. Bottom banner is for unit name, in this case that's the long azz: "LtCol Pocher Minute Man Comp Sq" (I assume it's composite). You don't put the top banner on unless you're displaying a motto, which is not mandatory & he opted not to do so, though i suggested a couple applicable ones. That the profile be perfectly round, and the exact shape or attachment of the banner(s) is common, but not standard or in any way required. As an example, I'd draw your attention to my own Sq patch, which is in many ways similiar:

alamrcn

I've gathered a bunch of USAF used shapes on my website at...
http://www.incountry.us/cappatches/creation.html
...under the "Size and Shape" section.

I reference the USAF Shield/Disk instruction and some others, but don't make a big deal of them. If following the USAF guidlines is something that your unit feels good about doing, fantastic. CAP not having any such guidelines can be both good and bad in many ways, but it sure makes for a lot of great history!

Something not mentioned in the USAF instruction or on my website is that all colors (red,green,blue, black,etc) within the field should be separated by a metal (white,yellow,silver,gold). The standard, or primary focus symbol of the patch is usually not subject to this, just the background. VERY, VERY few patches follow this heraldric guideline. There are so many of these little tid-bit rules, that they start to encroch on the whole design process.

I say, "Do what you want with your patch, but make sure it represents EVERYONE that wears it, and there is good reason and purpose for everything included in it." I think that is a good enough rule by itself for Civil Air Patrol patches.

-Ace
I\/PATCHES!




Ace Browning, Maj, CAP
History Hoarder
71st Wing, Minnesota

LtCol White

Quote from: alamrcn on March 01, 2007, 03:45:10 pm
I've gathered a bunch of USAF used shapes on my website at...
http://www.incountry.us/cappatches/creation.html
...under the "Size and Shape" section.

I reference the USAF Shield/Disk instruction and some others, but don't make a big deal of them. If following the USAF guidlines is something that your unit feels good about doing, fantastic. CAP not having any such guidelines can be both good and bad in many ways, but it sure makes for a lot of great history!

Something not mentioned in the USAF instruction or on my website is that all colors (red,green,blue, black,etc) within the field should be separated by a metal (white,yellow,silver,gold). The standard, or primary focus symbol of the patch is usually not subject to this, just the background. VERY, VERY few patches follow this heraldric guideline. There are so many of these little tid-bit rules, that they start to encroch on the whole design process.

I say, "Do what you want with your patch, but make sure it represents EVERYONE that wears it, and there is good reason and purpose for everything included in it." I think that is a good enough rule by itself for Civil Air Patrol patches.

-Ace
I\/PATCHES!



Dont forget to make sure the patch is professional in appearance rather than juvenile or comical.
LtCol David P. White CAP   
HQ LAWG

Admiral, Great Navy of the State of Nebraska

Diplomacy - The ability to tell someone to "Go to hell" and have them look forward to making the trip.

baronet68

Here's our patch:



I believe the basic design dates to the mid/late 1970's, with the only update being the charter number "46039" was replaced by "SQDN" when the charter number format changed and "PCR-WA-039" didn't fit.
Michael Moore, Maj, CAP
National Recruiting & Retention Manager

LtCol White

LtCol David P. White CAP   
HQ LAWG

Admiral, Great Navy of the State of Nebraska

Diplomacy - The ability to tell someone to "Go to hell" and have them look forward to making the trip.

carnold1836

I really like my squadron's patch.




The Pegasus was hand drawn with pencil and paper by one of our cadets.

Chris Arnold, 1st Lt, CAP
Pegasus Composite Squadron

DNall

Yeah I noticed you guys had changed the horse from the old patches. The sharp lines on that one look good - modern, mechanical, very AF.

LtCol White

Sharp looking patch. Professional and represntative
LtCol David P. White CAP   
HQ LAWG

Admiral, Great Navy of the State of Nebraska

Diplomacy - The ability to tell someone to "Go to hell" and have them look forward to making the trip.

brasda91

Minime Desistite - Never, Ever Give Up!!
Orange Triangle and Blue Square - Standard SAR symbols
Crow - One of the smartest birds, very resourceful
Wade Dillworth, Maj.
Paducah Composite Squadron
www.kywgcap.org/ky011

LtCol White

There is no identification of any unit or wing on this. Also no obvious association with CAP. Although it has the SAR symbols, its not readily apparrent that this is what they are. A rather ambiguous patch. Sorry, just my opinion.
LtCol David P. White CAP   
HQ LAWG

Admiral, Great Navy of the State of Nebraska

Diplomacy - The ability to tell someone to "Go to hell" and have them look forward to making the trip.

alamrcn

Quote from: LtCol White on March 01, 2007, 04:17:51 pm
Dont forget to make sure the patch is professional in appearance rather than juvenile or comical.


Like this one?



If the patch wasn't professionsal, I don't think it would have "good reason and purpose" then. Comical patches can be done in good taste, as long as that isn't the primary goal. It's Ok to have some fun with it too - just don't disrespect yourself, your unit, your wing... Civil air patrol, the USAF, and the USA in doing it! Professionalism? Absolutely!

Anyone wanna see some examples of Looney Tunes CAP patches? They're fun!

- Ace





Ace Browning, Maj, CAP
History Hoarder
71st Wing, Minnesota

BBerry

March 16, 2007, 08:05:25 am #154 Last Edit: March 16, 2007, 08:37:36 am by BBerry
Speaking of patches from the comics -- here's the Sandy Springs Cadet Squadron patch from the 'splash' on our website:



The patch and our unit have a long history, but the short version of the Snoopy patch's story can be found at Ace Browning's great CAP Patch site

We could argue the finer points of patch heraldry and design, but we're too busy training for the next mission...

Brian Berry, Lt Col, CAP
GBD, GTL, GTM1
Historian, PAO, Safety Officer, GA045
Sandy Springs Cadet Squadron
https://sandysprings.cap.gov/

coshell

Quote from: PhoenixCadet on January 10, 2006, 05:26:44 am
I kinda like these *cough* my squadron *cough* ;D




For those of you who don't know, the one on the right is the "subdued" one we use for BDU's.


What uniform do you wear the patch on other than the BDUs and Flightsuit (which I would also use the subdued version on)?

Eclipse

Camo / Blue BDU's - right breast pocket

Canmo / Blue BDU field jacket - right breast pocket

Flightsuit - Right shoulder in optional space

Blue utilities - Right shoulder in optional space

That's it!



ddelaney103

Quote from: Christopher O'Shell on March 18, 2007, 01:55:11 am
Quote from: PhoenixCadet on January 10, 2006, 05:26:44 am

For those of you who don't know, the one on the right is the "subdued" one we use for BDU's.


What uniform do you wear the patch on other than the BDUs and Flightsuit (which I would also use the subdued version on)?


In the AF, you don't wear subdued patches on the flightsuit (exception: AFSOC does, but they're so special it's their middle name.)  ;)

Jolt

If I understand correctly, the reason that the AF doesn't wear subdued patches on their flight suits is because they sanitize their uniforms before they go out to the planes.

MIKE

Quote from: Eclipse on March 18, 2007, 02:57:22 am
Flightsuit - Right shoulder in optional space

Blue utilities - Right shoulder in optional space


Negative.

Quote from: CAPM 39-1 Table 6-4.10 Organizational (Unit)Patch embroidered centered on the lower portion of the right breast pocket of BDU or field uniform shirt or BDU or dark blue field jacket between left and right edges and bottom of flap and pocket. (See note 2.) Patch must be approved by wing commander


Mike Johnston