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etodd
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« Reply #160 on: May 09, 2018, 05:59:57 PM »

Camo is still just so non-sensical for ground team members, or any CAP member for that matter. Our folks should NOT be hiding in the forest. We are not in combat. We should stick out like a sore thumb in bright orange shirts. LOL
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« Reply #161 on: May 09, 2018, 06:52:50 PM »

Camo is still just so non-sensical for ground team members, or any CAP member for that matter. Our folks should NOT be hiding in the forest. We are not in combat. We should stick out like a sore thumb in bright orange shirts. LOL

CAWG has been trying to do that for years, and it keeps getting shot down up the chain.
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etodd
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« Reply #162 on: May 09, 2018, 07:57:10 PM »

Camo is still just so non-sensical for ground team members, or any CAP member for that matter. Our folks should NOT be hiding in the forest. We are not in combat. We should stick out like a sore thumb in bright orange shirts. LOL

CAWG has been trying to do that for years, and it keeps getting shot down up the chain.

Where "up the chain"?  CAP hdqrs, or in AF levels?
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« Reply #163 on: May 09, 2018, 07:59:46 PM »

Apparently, both. Way below my pay grade.

Do a search for orange shirt. there are 150+ posts with one or both words. That should give you some insight on the whys, whens and hows.
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« Reply #164 on: May 09, 2018, 08:41:04 PM »

Camo is still just so non-sensical for ground team members, or any CAP member for that matter. Our folks should NOT be hiding in the forest. We are not in combat. We should stick out like a sore thumb in bright orange shirts. LOL

Well considering that you're supposed to be wearing an orange vest when you're out on a Ground Team mission.
What good would an orange shirt do?
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etodd
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« Reply #165 on: May 09, 2018, 08:58:58 PM »

Camo is still just so non-sensical for ground team members, or any CAP member for that matter. Our folks should NOT be hiding in the forest. We are not in combat. We should stick out like a sore thumb in bright orange shirts. LOL

Well considering that you're supposed to be wearing an orange vest when you're out on a Ground Team mission.
What good would an orange shirt do?

Skirting the point.  Ground team members or any other CAP members have no real world need for camo of any kind. Its never made sense from day one. (Other than some free hand-me-downs from the AF I suppose)
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« Reply #166 on: May 09, 2018, 09:05:05 PM »

We did not hear any issue when CAP was wearing the OG uniforms...

"Why the OGs?" "Why not more visibility...?"

We did not hear any issue when CAP was wearing the Khakis during WWII...

Why now with the camos? Again, it is not that we want to hide, but connection with the military.

Remember not all our activities are in forests.


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« Reply #167 on: May 09, 2018, 09:15:05 PM »

Camo is still just so non-sensical for ground team members, or any CAP member for that matter. Our folks should NOT be hiding in the forest. We are not in combat. We should stick out like a sore thumb in bright orange shirts. LOL

Well considering that you're supposed to be wearing an orange vest when you're out on a Ground Team mission.
What good would an orange shirt do?

Skirting the point.  Ground team members or any other CAP members have no real world need for camo of any kind. Its never made sense from day one. (Other than some free hand-me-downs from the AF I suppose)

You're about 40 years late to this party. Because this was the exact same argument that was used when we went to the BDU's in the 80's.
You can see how well it worked...
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« Reply #168 on: May 09, 2018, 09:29:07 PM »



You're about 40 years late to this party. Because this was the exact same argument that was used when we went to the BDU's in the 80's.
You can see how well it worked...


Yep.  Doesn't affect me either way, since I don't wear it. It just amuses me, trying to decipher the "why" of it.
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« Reply #169 on: May 09, 2018, 10:54:40 PM »

Apparently, both. Way below my pay grade.

Do a search for orange shirt. there are 150+ posts with one or both words. That should give you some insight on the whys, whens and hows.

California wing is not the only wing to try this.  TXWG has done this recently as well:
https://www.txwgcap.org/documents/2013/12/cap-uniform-manual.pdf/
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1-5d (added). Texas Wing Advanced Ground Team Uniform.  The Texas Wing Advanced Ground Team Uniform is an orange shirt with blue BDUs.  It may be worn with or without the Texas Wing ES Baseball Cap.

They also have an entire curriculum set up for AGT:
https://www.txwgcap.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/f06a7af0298c65341b8f925142153ce8.pdf

Do not know if this is still in use in TXWG or if it has gotten smashed by the new WG/CC
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« Reply #170 on: May 09, 2018, 11:18:05 PM »



Is the USAF now going to be doing combat patches? 




And left shoulder squadron/group/wing/command patches?
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« Reply #171 on: May 10, 2018, 12:56:15 AM »

I personally think that we wear camo to spark interest in others. I remember going to my first meeting and seeing everyone in BDUs, I thought "man, I bet I'd look good one a pair of those." (I actually look somewhat odd with them). I ended up joining for the uniforms, I later found out that it wasn't worth it. So I became a "floater" I guess you could say, then I has I matured a bit I saw the opportunity that I had. I could go through CAP and experience things that I wouldn't have anywhere else, and now it's given me a higher chance of getting my dream job.
Bottom line: Uniforms (especially camo uniforms) makes people think about joining. Granted not everyone is going to go down the same path as me but there are the few that might have a similar experience waiting for them
Anyway this was just my cheesy thoughts  :P

Thank you, this has been ramble and scramble with Chief Twigs
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« Reply #172 on: May 10, 2018, 01:00:21 AM »

We did not hear any issue when CAP was wearing the OG uniforms...

"Why the OGs?" "Why not more visibility...?"
California and Colorado Wings were wearing orange shirts during the OG days.

Arizona Wing has orange polos and T's, with reflective striping. Long sleeve shirts, too, but I couldn't find pictures.



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« Reply #173 on: May 10, 2018, 01:13:06 AM »

We did not hear any issue when CAP was wearing the OG uniforms...

"Why the OGs?" "Why not more visibility...?"
California and Colorado Wings were wearing orange shirts during the OG days.

Arizona Wing has orange polos and T's, with reflective striping. Long sleeve shirts, too, but I couldn't find pictures.



Mike

Now, are those Arizona Wing shirts authorized? I couldn't find a NHQ Approved Supplement on the National Headquarters page and publications are in the members only section of the Arizona Wing Web Page. And they're not authorized in the CAPM 39-1.
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« Reply #174 on: May 10, 2018, 08:22:18 AM »



Is the USAF now going to be doing combat patches? 




And left shoulder squadron/group/wing/command patches?

Iíve seen group/wing on the left and squadron on the right.
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« Reply #175 on: May 10, 2018, 09:54:14 AM »

Arizona Wing has orange polos and T's, with reflective striping. Long sleeve shirts, too, but I couldn't find pictures.

Mike

I like this for SAREXs and real missions.  Senior members wear an orange polo with wing patch for ground and FL work.  Members could wear either BDU/ABU/CFU pants so that way members would only need to purchase the polo shirt.  Looks more inline with other SAR groups that I have seen/worked with. 

But then again, I would be happy if Senior Members just did away with BDUs/ABUs and just wore the polo (keep the associated USAF-style and corporate dress uniforms though).  The cadets could continue to wear the BDUs/ABUs due to the military cadet program connection.  Until then, I still have a pair of BBDUs in my closet for SAREXs.     >:D
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« Reply #176 on: May 10, 2018, 10:01:31 AM »

Iíve seen group/wing on the left and squadron on the right.

Interesting. 

Well when CAP goes to OCPs in 10 years, at least cadets will be able to play "swap" the NCSA patch game.  Start the meeting wearing NESA patch and end wearing the NBB patch or some variation thereof.  Or perhaps we will have wing patches on the left shoulder and squadron patches on the right and no NCSA patches (doubt that though).  Or they will have to choose between Squadron patch and NCSA patch (most likely).  We will see in 10 or so years, I guess.
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« Reply #177 on: May 10, 2018, 12:09:40 PM »

Iíve seen group/wing on the left and squadron on the right.

Interesting. 

Well when CAP goes to OCPs in 10 years, at least cadets will be able to play "swap" the NCSA patch game.  Start the meeting wearing NESA patch and end wearing the NBB patch or some variation thereof.  Or perhaps we will have wing patches on the left shoulder and squadron patches on the right and no NCSA patches (doubt that though).  Or they will have to choose between Squadron patch and NCSA patch (most likely).  We will see in 10 or so years, I guess.

It might be sooner that that.  If the USAF goes to OCP this year I doubt there is enough ABUs to last CAP 10 years unless you count the crappier versions that VG sells.
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« Reply #178 on: May 10, 2018, 12:13:46 PM »

There will be a surge in the Fall and early next year of ABUs that are not much use to CAP
because of size, wear, or stripe-mark issues.

After that, it's going to be the same retail channels as the CFU and camo BDU.
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« Reply #179 on: May 10, 2018, 02:32:02 PM »





^^^ Comfortable and very practical. Great way to go for Seniors.  Agree with the other poster in regards to Cadets who might be thinking of a military career. Cadets are wholly different.
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