Can we get someone to suggest a change to the corporate field uniform top now? Same cut and design as the OCP only in navy please.

BTW, this isn't an "official" visual aid, but its a helpful explainer for folks:

Quote from: biomed441 on November 17, 2025, 05:10:40 PMCAP needs to stop trying to out Air Force the Air Force. 

Civil Air Patrol: More Military Than The Military™. LOL

Quote from: NIN on November 13, 2025, 07:32:56 PMNational supposedly saying to a wing "if a member comes in uniform, they can participate regardless" sounds incredibly apocryphal. You go to the National Conference and they specify what uniforms may be worn for the event.  For example, there is usually a "no utility uniforms or flight suits" prohibition.  Its not the Wild, Wild West there.

I have been to conferences where a gaggle of c/Amn show up in ABUs and I was told "They don't have blues yet." Well, OK, but "appropriate attire," for the gravity and dignity of the activity is still a thing, so show up in a collared shirt and khakis or something.

You wouldn't show up to your sister's wedding in a pair of grubby jeans and a hoodie with the excuse "I don't have a suit yet," right?

You wont hear me disagree with that.  I think the distinction needs to be clear that its a uniform type, not a specific uniform.  If you have OCPs, and it's a field night, you should be allowed to wear them even if 99% of your squdaron is still in ABUs.  Happened in active duty that way during the BDU/ABU transition and the ABU/OCP transition. Saw plenty of formations with mix and match.  Part of the game.

CAP needs to stop trying to out Air Force the Air Force. 

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Quote from: biomed441 on November 12, 2025, 03:44:04 PMThere was an instance, I cant remember if it was a wing hosted course or a conference where someone was told that if they didn't wear a specific UOD to the activity they could not participate.  I think it was region or National that found out and said if the member shows up in a CAP uniform, they can participate regardless of the UOD so long as it doesn't present a safety issue for the activity.   So commanders banning the wear of an authorized uniform may not fly for long.

Its all a mess... as is every uniform transition. 

Amen to that last part.  Its just growing pains. I went thru the transition to epaulet blues shirts, then fatigues to BDUs (and all the subsequent tuneups to the original guidance) then BDU to ABU (and the couple adjustments there) and now ABU to OCP.  In every instance of a change, someone advised their commander that the loss of uniformity was going to cause:
 

• a huge hit to morale;
• a huge hit to operational capability;
• a complete lack of "standards" leading to a breakdown in unit cohesion & discipline;
• a loss of credibility;
• dogs and cats to live together, leading to mass hysteria.

or any combination of the above.

At the end of the day, none of those things happened. Ever.

"This too shall pass." LOL.

I will say, commanders have the inherent ability to set the Uniform of the Day (or for the event, or whatever).

CAPR 39-1, para 1.2.5.3 "[...]The CAP/CC and other commanders may specify the wear of a particular uniform type for the purpose of achieving a uniform appearance at squadron, group, wing, region, and national functions. [...]"

National supposedly saying to a wing "if a member comes in uniform, they can participate regardless" sounds incredibly apocryphal. You go to the National Conference and they specify what uniforms may be worn for the event.  For example, there is usually a "no utility uniforms or flight suits" prohibition.  Its not the Wild, Wild West there.

I have been to conferences where a gaggle of c/Amn show up in ABUs and I was told "They don't have blues yet." Well, OK, but "appropriate attire," for the gravity and dignity of the activity is still a thing, so show up in a collared shirt and khakis or something.

You wouldn't show up to your sister's wedding in a pair of grubby jeans and a hoodie with the excuse "I don't have a suit yet," right?

Quote from: Fubar on November 12, 2025, 10:56:06 PM

Quote from: PHall on November 12, 2025, 06:08:22 PM

Quote from: Fubar on November 12, 2025, 08:32:37 AMBrilliant PR move to announce killing the glider program as a note in the PROPS newsletter on the same day the OCP uniform was announced.

Except it wasn't announced in PROPS. The last PROPS was dated October 7.

Last PROPS I got was November 4. You might want to check that you're still subscribed. Try the "update profile" link at the bottom of the last PROPS email you received.

I read the one posted in the NEWS section of the NHQ Web Page.  But I did get an wing wide email from my wing commander about it though.

Quote from: PHall on November 12, 2025, 06:08:22 PM

Quote from: Fubar on November 12, 2025, 08:32:37 AMBrilliant PR move to announce killing the glider program as a note in the PROPS newsletter on the same day the OCP uniform was announced.

Except it wasn't announced in PROPS. The last PROPS was dated October 7.

Last PROPS I got was November 4. You might want to check that you're still subscribed. Try the "update profile" link at the bottom of the last PROPS email you received.

Quote from: Fubar on November 12, 2025, 08:32:37 AMBrilliant PR move to announce killing the glider program as a note in the PROPS newsletter on the same day the OCP uniform was announced.

Except it wasn't announced in PROPS. The last PROPS was dated October 7.

Quote from: Fubar on November 12, 2025, 08:31:09 AMPlus a patch war has once again broken out since not all unit patches have been reviewed by the heraldry nerds and since you can't wear OCPs without a unit patch and your unit patch has to have all the right colors not touching the wrong colors like two siblings fighting in the back of the sedan, parents are stuck trying figure out what they're supposed to do.

The patch thing is all sorts of weird too. 110-3 states units can continue to use non-compliant patches until they run out of stock.... so as far as OCPs go, which says the patches must be 110-3 compliant... which part of 110-3 do they need to comply with.  The design criteria, or can the old stock be used? 

Also, I know of a wing that basically redesigned all of their unit patches to be 110-3 compliant, but roughly 75% of the "approved" patches still aren't compliant, but wing approved them soooo how does that work when someone calls them out for wearing a "non-compliant approved" patch on the OCPs... Thought that's not so much an OCP problem as a wing not understanding the heraldry regs.

Quote from: Fubar on November 12, 2025, 08:31:09 AMThere is also a number of cases of squadron commanders banning the OCP uniforms from their units until everyone can get them because they don't want to have a mixture of ABUs and OCPs in formation. Commanders say the regs give them the authority to set the UOD, others say the regs say the UOD is the type (such as field) not the specific version of the uniform. Just wait until the new parents find out they're buying ABUs for their kids while the unit knows full well everyone will be switching in a month or two.

My unit is doing that as well to some degree. No one can wear the OCP until a class on how to wear them is provided, though there's no schedule as to when that class will take place.  There has been precedence set to not side with the commanders who are banning wear of the OCPs though.  There was an instance, I cant remember if it was a wing hosted course or a conference where someone was told that if they didn't wear a specific UOD to the activity they could not participate.  I think it was region or National that found out and said if the member shows up in a CAP uniform, they can participate regardless of the UOD so long as it doesn't present a safety issue for the activity.   So commanders banning the wear of an authorized uniform may not fly for long.

Its all a mess... as is every uniform transition.