CAP Talk

To me, these "roles and missions" debates all seem somewhat like the folks in the Air Force who question why the USAF needs to be standing up cyber warfare capabilities, instead of fighter and bomber Wings...

... because it needs doing?

To stick with that example (cyber) it doesn't seem on the surface like a core capability, but the USAF does contribute (along with the FBI, HLS, and the IC) through elements of Cyber command, to a vital defense capability.

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Quote from: Eclipse on Today at 08:28:10 pmYeah.  No.

PODS and CERT are after-thought "get in the game itis". not CAP missions.

At least we can agree.

You keep saying that, but you provide no evidence for your claim.

Argumentum ad assertion is a useless method of convincing me.

Provide factual reasons why CAP should not engage in the NRF Core Capabilities of Mass Care in the specific sections of providing hydration, feeding, sheltering, and distribution services.

Because we are doing those things NOW, so you have quite the burden of proof to explain why we should STOP.

Yeah.  No.

PODS and CERT are after-thought "get in the game itis". not CAP missions.

At least we can agree.

Quote from: Eclipse on Today at 07:26:32 pm

Quote from: Holding Pattern on Today at 07:13:16 pmThere is no need for anyone to do anything in a CAP uniform ever.

This is demonstrably not true.  The actual core missions are generally of a scale and
type which requires a unique organization like CAP.

Like emergency services.

Of which PODs are a component.

Quote from: Holding Pattern on Today at 07:13:16 pmThere is no need for anyone to do anything in a CAP uniform ever.

This is demonstrably not true.  The actual core missions are generally of a scale and
type which requires a unique organization like CAP.

Food banks are not on that list. CAP brings nothing unique but its contact list
to the table.  There's no issue if wings want to bring community service opportunities
to its members. 

An email with the sign up link.

Done.

Quote from: Eclipse on Today at 07:07:47 pm

Quote from: Holding Pattern on Today at 06:54:17 pmThe current system netted us nearly 1 million pounds of food distributed to the public.

No.  It didn't.
CAP was present, presumably, when that food was distributed.  CAP, per se, did not distribute
a million pounds of anything.  The PA folks don't seem to understand the difference.

And again, there was zero need for anyone to be there in a CAP uniform. Go if you want, CAP
does not need to be involved.

There is no need for anyone to do anything in a CAP uniform ever.

That is a horrible reason to use for not doing something in a CAP uniform.

Quote from: Holding Pattern on Today at 06:54:17 pmThe current system netted us nearly 1 million pounds of food distributed to the public.

No.  It didn't.
CAP was present, presumably, when that food was distributed.  CAP, per se, did not distribute
a million pounds of anything.  The PA folks don't seem to understand the difference.

And again, there was zero need for anyone to be there in a CAP uniform. Go if you want, CAP
does not need to be involved.

Quote from: NovemberWhiskey on Today at 03:03:06 amI tend to agree that CAP is quite ill-prepared for some of the missions, like food distribution to the public

The current system netted us nearly 1 million pounds of food distributed to the public.

I imagine a formalized training and advertisement of capability to local agencies would mean we could easily double that number for the next national crisis should this repeat itself.

In terms of mass care my locality got caught out when needing to stand up one shelter this year and CAP became the first responding volunteer agency for that.

Yeah, I picked up my jaw off the ground after that conversation too.

But it was made quite clear: The more CAP trains and advertises to local agencies, the more callouts we will get for POD work, Shelter work, and *dramatic gasp* SAR work!

Quote from: baronet68 on Today at 08:48:29 am

Quote from: NovemberWhiskey on Today at 03:03:06 amWe don't have any kind of organized/formal point-of-distribution or shelter operations training curriculum...

There is an ES qualification for PODC (IS-26 Point of Distribution Course) available on the 101 card.  While the training is very basic and largely video-based, the curriculum is provided by FEMA and seems very effective for providing a functional understanding of how PODs work.  Seems pretty "organized/formal" to me.  What else would be necessary?

Two sorties!

Though seriously, it should be trained to and practiced, just like every other qual.

Quote from: NovemberWhiskey on Today at 03:03:06 amWe don't have any kind of organized/formal point-of-distribution or shelter operations training curriculum...

There is an ES qualification for PODC (IS-26 Point of Distribution Course) available on the 101 card.  While the training is very basic and largely video-based, the curriculum is provided by FEMA and seems very effective for providing a functional understanding of how PODs work.  Seems pretty "organized/formal" to me.  What else would be necessary?