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Quote from: jimmydeanno on Today at 03:06:08 PM

Quote from: RiverAux on Today at 02:55:50 PM

Only if you are not a public affairs officer and like jumping the CAP chain of command.

The folks at NHQ are not in our chain of command and we aren't in theirs any more than the CAP-USAF folks are.

They are there to support the volunteers, not to support only the corporate officers.  How many times a day do people call NHQ with questions?  Hundreds, from the mundane "where do I order patches" to "I went to encampment in 1951 and want credit." 

People can call and ask questions, give comments, etc all day long without it being "jumping the chain."

This is a little different than having a question about how to process a membership application or some technical issue. 

I think we can assume that the paid NHQ staff did not come up with the triangle thingy and start using it without the approval of someone in the CAP chain of command.  If that is the case, then comments should be addressed through the CoC to get it changed.  They're not going to be able to change anything and going through them bypasses the proper channels. 

Now, if they did start using this without proper approval, thats a whole different story.

How much autonomy, do you suppose, was given the editors of "The CAP Volunteer?"  It may be that this logo was developed as a "publication" instrument and simply "caught fire."

I would imagine that some of the "clip art" and other imagery found in the magazine might not fall under the guise of CAP Regs...no more than having a certain font, style of punctuation or writing style would.  Thing have got away from people before.

As to the comments that we are supposed to contact the unit for more details - this discussion is based on a public news story, so if nothing else this is a lesson in unintended consequences.

If you go back a few posts, I mentioned that the story might not be accurate in that the Medica sometimes confuses, obfuscates or combines facts sometimes presenting an unclear picture.

Seems to me the News Paper in question may have alterned meaning of the story with the wording.  It is a "public event," the Civil Air Patrol is merely posting the colors.  I've had media do worse.

I think a clarification on this needs to be posted.
1. The Northern Desert Composite Squadron "IS NOT" co-hosting this event.
2. The Squadron was asked to present the colors in honor of the Constitution of the United States, NOT A POLITICAL PARTY.
3. All CAP members in uniform will be off the premises before any other activity begin, if any other activity be presented.
4. All facts should be obtained before any accusations or ti-rates begin.
5. No monies were offered nor collected for this event. It is a community service event.
6. The salute is to the Constitution of the United States and nothing else.
In these times of such division in this country it seems to me to be necessary to remind all that CAP is one family no matter the political leanings of any one individual. The cadets from the Northern Desert Composite Squadron put in hundreds of hours of community service each year. In my opinion, we all should be thanking them for their dedication to serving their community and not criticizing them for wanting to honor the Constitution of the United States of America that so many of our fellow members have chosen to also honor. NO MATTER THEIR POLITICAL BELIEFS!
Member of the NDCS

Thank you, I called for something like this posts back.  However, the political divisions I have been mentioning forbade rational thought in favor of partisan rant blind of the fact.

Thank the Cadets of NDCS from the CAP Officers and Cadets of South Texas for their work in serving their community.  May there service rise above the Lilliputian antics presented here today.

^ Most of Wicky's post is irrelevant to the discussion.  The fact that the members participating are dedicated does not change the fact that
they may be misguided in participating.

 As to the comments that we are supposed to contact the unit for more details - this discussion is based on a public news story, so if nothing else this is a lesson in unintended consequences.

My comment about the "crusade" was in regards to Patterson promising to "call out" every activity. Let's not take my words out of context lest this turns into a chapter from a Texas history book.

"College Limbo..." eh? To quote Stan Lee "'nuff said."  As a Teacher in Texas of 7th Grade Texas history I am offended by that comment.  You are proving the point I just made about partisanship.

I am disallusioned with both sides.  I am a Constitutionalist, but in the fact that I have studied it greatly (yes, in College) and use it as a benchmark for all legilstive intent, executive action and jurisprudence.  Not because I want someone elected or ousted.

I think a clarification on this needs to be posted.
1. The Northern Desert Composite Squadron "IS NOT" co-hosting this event.
2. The Squadron was asked to present the colors in honor of the Constitution of the United States, NOT A POLITICAL PARTY.
3. All CAP members in uniform will be off the premises before any other activity begin, if any other activity be presented.
4. All facts should be obtained before any accusations or ti-rates begin.
5. No monies were offered nor collected for this event. It is a community service event.
6. The salute is to the Constitution of the United States and nothing else.
In these times of such division in this country it seems to me to be necessary to remind all that CAP is one family no matter the political leanings of any one individual. The cadets from the Northern Desert Composite Squadron put in hundreds of hours of community service each year. In my opinion, we all should be thanking them for their dedication to serving their community and not criticizing them for wanting to honor the Constitution of the United States of America that so many of our fellow members have chosen to also honor. NO MATTER THEIR POLITICAL BELIEFS!
Member of the NDCS

A Texas history book 

Stop drinking the cool aid man....

My comment about the "crusade" was in regards to Patterson promising to "call out" every activity. Let's not take my words out of context lest this turns into a chapter from a Texas history book.

Quote from: Eclipse on Today at 11:01:06 PM

Quote from: Major Carrales on Today at 10:47:58 PM

Suppose you are at a VFW affair, post, and then some Veteran makes a statement that is political and then is joined in by his fellows.  So much so, it makes the papers.  What then?  I'll bet that the people here won't even look into it as I have come to suggest of late.  Instead, the trash talking commences in total blindness.

That would be just as inappropriate, and I would certainly disengage and reconsider future involvement.  The VFW, however, as an organization, is apolitical, and any issues that would pop up would be bad-actor members, not the VFW itself.

Can't take it back once it happens.  No fair cheating.  The fact is, everything these days is political.

What do you mean "You can't take it back?"  No one, including CAP, can anticipate some ding-dong individual member of any organization
we are working with, including the military, from saying or doing something dumb (including ourselves).  In those cases we disavow publicly if necessary and take better steps in the future to prevent them.

There's a difference between presenting the colors at a Memorial Day service or a ball game where some goof ball stands up and
chants about some nonsense, and us going in, eyes-wide, to a situation where we know the very subject matter is potentially problematic.  In the former we FIMO, in the latter we stay home.

That's called ORM.