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The Lobby / Re: Covid-19 remobilization / ...
Last post by Eclipse - October 13, 2020, 03:25:45 pm
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on October 13, 2020, 03:02:28 pmBut our state does not mandate quarantining if you travel across the border, and we have a number of residents who are members in neighboring wings, those who are members of this wing but reside in another state, as well as members who work across state lines. I have seen wing plans that restrict members from attending meetings if they traveled out of state recently, which does not align with state guidance.

This is where the trouble is going to come from - members should not be traveling between wings
if they are not in the same phase both CAP and Civilly.

Not having a quarantine doesn't mean there isn't a problem, as we're seeing the quarantine's
are as much political as they are practical.

I'm from a state that is surrounded on all sides by increasing numbers, but it's entirely
likely the lack of increase is due to the population centers ad testing fatigue as it is
actually being flatter then the surrounding.
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The Lobby / Re: Covid-19 remobilization / ...
Last post by TheSkyHornet - October 13, 2020, 03:02:28 pm
Quote from: Eclipse on October 13, 2020, 02:50:23 pmCAP is a national organization, and this requires national policies and leadership,
especially if there is going to be inter-wing travel, which is starting to happen,
even among states in different phases (CAP and civilly).

However, there does need to be enough flexibility to allow Wings to operate in respect to their state/locale.

Our state is permitting gatherings of up to 300 people. That obviously exceeds CAP's 50-person maximum. And it's entirely reasonable to say that we go the conservative approach.

But our state does not mandate quarantining if you travel across the border, and we have a number of residents who are members in neighboring wings, those who are members of this wing but reside in another state, as well as members who work across state lines. I have seen wing plans that restrict members from attending meetings if they traveled out of state recently, which does not align with state guidance.
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The Lobby / Re: Covid-19 remobilization / ...
Last post by Eclipse - October 13, 2020, 02:50:23 pm
Quote from: NovemberWhiskey on October 13, 2020, 12:11:49 pmHas there been any further national-level guidance since the July updates for Covid-19 remobilization?

Nothing I've seen, as you mention, since July, and just like the encampment and NCSA site(s)
one could hazard there won't be unless there is some ground-level push to get back
to the realization that there's no "ops normal" for the foreseeable.

There should be daily updates and ongoing observation of states' Covid Phases and curves,
with an emphasis on the latter, as it would appear many states are ignoring their curves
in favor of pushing their reopening or staying open.

At the point you start saying "50 is OK with social distancing", you might as well just say
"OPS NORMAL and require proper mask wear".  There are far fewer units, especially from a practical
perspective now, with more then 50 members, then there are with 50 members who would show up.

It's not a time for hysteria, the upswings were anticipated, however it's also not the
time to just pretend anything has really changed, nor "leave it up to the local leaders".

CAP is a national organization, and this requires national policies and leadership,
especially if there is going to be inter-wing travel, which is starting to happen,
even among states in different phases (CAP and civilly).
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The Lobby / Re: Covid-19 remobilization / ...
Last post by JohhnyD - October 13, 2020, 02:21:13 pm
"The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we'd rather not do it." - Dr. Nabarro of the World Health Organization
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The Lobby / Re: Covid-19 remobilization / ...
Last post by NovemberWhiskey - October 13, 2020, 12:39:56 pm
Quote from: Holding Pattern on October 13, 2020, 12:16:40 pmIf your state is not meeting the metrics it should, notify your chain of command.
Not really what I asked, nor do the plans required of wings by national HQ address it, so "hard to tell". I'm specifically addressing the following from FAQ #6:

Quote from: NHQNew criteria are also expected to be added to this site as more is learned about COVID-19, and the CAP COVID-19 Planning Team will work with Wings as new criteria are added to determine the best course(s) of action going forward.
... since it really doesn't look like the trending on the resources provided up to this point looks good.

Quote from: AirDX on October 13, 2020, 12:22:51 pmWe rolled back to Phase 0. As well we should. A few simple things and people can't just do them. The virus did not just magically go away.
Your profile unit indicates 'PCR-WI-049' which ... doesn't seem quite right? PCR-WA-049? GLR-WI-049? It's interesting that neither of those are listed as having regressed to phase 0 on the remobilization page. Perhaps this has happened in more places and the page just isn't being updated.
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The Lobby / Re: Covid-19 remobilization / ...
Last post by AirDX - October 13, 2020, 12:22:51 pm
We rolled back to Phase 0. As well we should. A few simple things and people can't just do them. The virus did not just magically go away.
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The Lobby / Re: Covid-19 remobilization / ...
Last post by Holding Pattern - October 13, 2020, 12:16:40 pm
If your state is not meeting the metrics it should, notify your chain of command.
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The Lobby / Covid-19 remobilization / nati...
Last post by NovemberWhiskey - October 13, 2020, 12:11:49 pm
Has there been any further national-level guidance since the July updates for Covid-19 remobilization?

We have states right now that appear to be in CAP remobilization phase 2 based on published plans and anecdotal evidence, but are showing worse-than-ever Covid-19 infection rates and are 'red' (active or imminent outbreak) on covidactnow.org and 'dark red' (uncontrolled spread) on covidexitstrategy.org - those being the two resources that have been provided as representing good data.

Is the decision to remain in phase 2 entirely with the wing, even if that wing would not by any means qualify to enter phase 2 based on the metrics?
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Outdoor activities are limited to 50 with proper social distancing, indoors are still limited to 10 due to State restrictions. ES training, O-flights etc have all resumed. PT and Drill require at least double arm interval, we temp everyone, masks are mandatory inside or when 6 feet aren't possible outside.

Really the main difference was allowing O-flights and outdoor activities up to 50 members.
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I'm just curious as to what your Wing's Phase II Remobilization Plan looks like.

I'm seeing suggestions about no drill and no fitness testing. I'm curious as to the basis for those, since a lot of wings had restrictions on those activities during Phase I and rolled those restrictions into their Phase II plans.

How does your Wing differ between Phase I and II aside from just increasing the participant head count? Did your Wing increase the activity participation to 50, or did you have a tighter restriction?
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