Retirement Certificate 6 months late and wrong

MSG Mac · July 30, 2009, 02:53:19 AM

After waiting 6 months for my Retirement Certificate, it finally arrived today. With an end of service date 3 months prior to submission and with 3 less years than I had the first time I retired from CAP 10 years ago. I guess I'll be calling them again tomorrow.

AirAux · July 30, 2009, 06:38:59 PM

Make sure that it is 100% correct as I understand that your retirement pay, survivor's benefits, medical insurance, and choice of cemetary plot are all dependent on your retirement certificate..

N Harmon · July 30, 2009, 07:22:59 PM

Wow, that was pretty mean.

Flying Pig · July 30, 2009, 07:41:48 PM

You've retired from CAP twice or is this a military retirement

Spike · July 30, 2009, 08:41:36 PM

I am somewhat confused. What is the issue you want to us to help you with??

NIN · July 30, 2009, 08:49:48 PM

We'll see if they get mine right on the 19th.

(after getting "20 year" certificates at 3 different wing conferences, at 23, 25 & 27 years, respectively, I'll hold my breath..)

Spike · July 30, 2009, 08:54:43 PM

Quote from: NIN on July 30, 2009, 08:49:48 PM
(after getting "20 year" certificates at 3 different wing conferences, at 23, 25 & 27 years, respectively, I'll hold my breath..)

So is this your 30th year in CAP??

MSG Mac · July 31, 2009, 12:30:11 AM

Quote from: Flying Pig on July 30, 2009, 07:41:48 PM
You've retired from CAP twice or is this a military retirement

I retired from CAP in 1999 and than rejoined six months later. I retired again this January because I was feeling very angry because of some things happening in my group and Wing.

Fubar · July 31, 2009, 01:33:28 AM

Quote from: MSG Mac on July 31, 2009, 12:30:11 AMI retired from CAP in 1999 and than rejoined six months later. I retired again this January because I was feeling very angry because of some things happening in my group and Wing.

So by the time they get your certificate right, you'll be out of retirement again... you're worse than Brett Farve!

I am of course kidding, I'm sorry to hear you are separating from the CAP on less than pleasant terms.

Gunner C · July 31, 2009, 01:16:54 PM

When I got my commission in the army, first they misspelled my name, then they put the wrong rank on it. I went directly to the clerk at 18th Abn Corps and looked over her shoulder as she did it for the third time. Hopefully, you won't have to do the same.

MSG Mac · July 31, 2009, 02:38:35 PM

Quote from: Fubar on July 31, 2009, 01:33:28 AM
Quote from: MSG Mac on July 31, 2009, 12:30:11 AMI retired from CAP in 1999 and than rejoined six months later. I retired again this January because I was feeling very angry because of some things happening in my group and Wing.

So by the time they get your certificate right, you'll be out of retirement again... you're worse than Brett Farve!

I am of course kidding, I'm sorry to hear you are separating from the CAP on less than pleasant terms.

I'm not leaving on bad terms, I left on my terms! situtaion was in Nov the Squadron/CC informed the GP/CC that he wanted to step down.. The person who wanted the job, (not me), sent in all the forms to GP for forwarding to Wing and Higher HQ.. When I followeed up on the paperwork, I got no response from Group, and the wing didn't seem to notice that they had a unit without a commander. It took 5 months to get the young lady acknowledged as Sq/CC. Maybe when I move to Maryland I'll rejoin.

Flying Pig · July 31, 2009, 04:13:15 PM

So you retire from CAP when you get mad? You retired a second time from CAP 8 months ago and your still on CAPTalk complaining about CAP? Maybe you just need to take a few steps back and go on a long vacation from CAP if it upsets you that much. And now your going to move to MD and possibly rejoin again?

Maybe Im misunderstanding the term "retirement"?

MSG Mac · July 31, 2009, 06:25:55 PM

Quote from: Flying Pig on July 31, 2009, 04:13:15 PM
So you retire from CAP when you get mad? You retired a second time from CAP 8 months ago and your still on CAPTalk complaining about CAP? Maybe you just need to take a few steps back and go on a long vacation from CAP if it upsets you that much. And now your going to move to MD and possibly rejoin again?

Maybe Im misunderstanding the term "retirement"?

No, I retired because I was entitled to do so after 40 plus years. I left because I was unable to put up with the "Gross inefficiency" and uncaring attitude which presented when I did address the problem cited previously. If the Group commander was apathetic in the performance of his duties, and the Wing ignorant of who their commanders are even after several inquiries into the local situation, why should I not take my leave, until the situation is remedied.

N Harmon · July 31, 2009, 07:01:24 PM

Quote from: MSG Mac on July 31, 2009, 06:25:55 PMwhy should I not take my leave, until the situation is remedied.

Well, I can think of a few reasons but they may not be relevant. I like to work through problems instead of quitting until they are fixed. I think we have way too many good members quit due to the wrong actions of marginal members.

But I'm not you, and given your 40 years of service to CAP you have more than earned CAP retirement. I think the problem some of us are having is that we see CAP "retirement" as intended to be more permanent than say, an extended leave of absence. But then the regulations do spell out the process for retired CAP'ers to return to service and regain their grade, so it could very well be that we're the ones misunderstanding the term "retirement".

Spike · July 31, 2009, 07:14:27 PM

Quote from: MSG Mac on July 31, 2009, 02:38:35 PM
Maybe when I move to Maryland I'll rejoin.

Maryland Wing is a great Wing to be a member of. I was impressed with how much training and coordination goes on between the Maryland National Guard/ Reserve Units and Active Duty Units and the CAP Squadrons in the state.

ricecakecm · August 09, 2009, 09:03:59 PM

As somebody who punched out of CAP late last year after 15 years, I never did understand the point of "retiring" from CAP. I mean, why not just say "Hey, I'm leaving" or quit paying your dues? I said "Hey, I'm leaving" when it coincided with my membership renewal month because I left CAP due to getting busy with work and family, not because I was mad at CAP. I can still re-join down the road, the same as someone who retired. Maybe it has to do with rank, but I get to come back at the same rank I left due to my FAA certificates. Perhaps if you're a Lt Col or Major, and you have thoughts of coming back, retirement would let you keep your rank.

Oh well. I'll continue to enjoy watching CAP from the side lines. It's much less frustrating.

Cecil DP · August 09, 2009, 11:54:20 PM

Quote from: ricecakecm on August 09, 2009, 09:03:59 PM
As somebody who punched out of CAP late last year after 15 years, I never did understand the point of "retiring" from CAP. I mean, why not just say "Hey, I'm leaving" or quit paying your dues? I said "Hey, I'm leaving" when it coincided with my membership renewal month because I left CAP due to getting busy with work and family, not because I was mad at CAP. I can still re-join down the road, the same as someone who retired. Maybe it has to do with rank, but I get to come back at the same rank I left due to my FAA certificates. Perhaps if you're a Lt Col or Major, and you have thoughts of coming back, retirement would let you keep your rank.

Oh well. I'll continue to enjoy watching CAP from the side lines. It's much less frustrating.

The advantage of retiring is that if you later decide to return, you don't have to do all the paperwork involved in being reinstated to grade and you get to keep the DOR. If you drop out, and the requirements for your grade had changed, you would have to reaccomplish them, with retirement all you have to do is resubmit a CAPF12 and a new fingerprint card.

Eclipse · August 09, 2009, 11:58:23 PM

Quote from: ricecakecm on August 09, 2009, 09:03:59 PMMaybe it has to do with rank, but I get to come back at the same rank I left due to my FAA certificates.

No, you may be eligible for advanced grade based on your pilot certificates. Nothing is guaranteed.

CadetProgramGuy · August 10, 2009, 05:59:51 AM

Quote from: Eclipse on August 09, 2009, 11:58:23 PM
Quote from: ricecakecm on August 09, 2009, 09:03:59 PMMaybe it has to do with rank, but I get to come back at the same rank I left due to my FAA certificates.

No, you may be eligible for advanced grade based on your pilot certificates. Nothing is guaranteed.

Very true......

Major Carrales · August 10, 2009, 06:49:04 PM

Quote from: Eclipse on August 09, 2009, 11:58:23 PM
Quote from: ricecakecm on August 09, 2009, 09:03:59 PMMaybe it has to do with rank, but I get to come back at the same rank I left due to my FAA certificates.

No, you may be eligible for advanced grade based on your pilot certificates. Nothing is guaranteed.

This is true, our Group Commander will not give advanced grade willy-nilly, a CAP officer has to assume a duty in the squadron that demonstrates that the skill is contributing to CAP. Even former active duty officers (and our Group Commander is a retired USAF Lt Col and retired CAP SPAATZ cadet, so those that might think he is a non-prior with "delusions of grandeur"...a common claim when a CAP Group Commander hold high standards in this regard...are way off base. His purpose is a simple one, give CAP rank and grade meaning and significance)

Thus, in our Group "grade" is not a "freebie." We are also ordered/highly recommended against not to "recruit" by dangling advanced grade to potential newbies.