Is a First Aid Card needed for UDF

[MikeD]

According to the Task Guide for for O-0010, Prepare Urban DF Team Individual Equipment:

"3) All CAP Identification, including 101 card, 76 card, First Aid card, etc. (T)"

Does this mean that the 76 card and First Aid card are required, or that if the trainee has one of those it should be in with his/her UDF gear?

Note that this is for one of the Prep/Fam training items, and that getting your BCUT is in the advanced training, so requiring the 76 card before BCUT is actually required doesn't make sense to me.

[JoeTomasone]

No, there is no requirement for first aid for UDF.   Many of the requirements are part of more than one qualification (or are copied from another).  The examples cited are just that - examples.  Basically, they are saying to carry whatever ID you have that you might need.   I believe this one was copied from GTM3, where first aid and BCUT are required.

[PHall]

No, there is no requirement for first aid for UDF.   Many of the requirements are part of more than one qualification (or are copied from another).  The examples cited are just that - examples.  Basically, they are saying to carry whatever ID you have that you might need.   I believe this one was copied from GTM3, where first aid and BCUT are required.

Reg cite please.

[smj58501]

Compare the SQTR's for GT3 and UDF. GT3 has "Complete Basic First Aid Training or Equivalent" listed as a required task and UDF doesn't.

The "Prepare equipment...." task you reference is similar for both GT and UDF, so I suspect there may have been a copy/ paste oversight when developing the task guide as stated by the other poster

[Tubacap]

What actually qualifies for the "First Aid Training or Equivalent"?

[MikeD]

What actually qualifies for the "First Aid Training or Equivalent"?

My understanding is that this is Red Cross first aid training.  However, this also needs a Reg. cite. 

[Eclipse]

There is no specification for what qualifies as "First Aid Training".

It varies from state to state.

In my wing, a 1-day "Community Level" First Aid class or equivalent from a certifying body willing to issue
a completion card is what is accepted.  For us that basically means, Red Cross, Green Cross, or American Institute of health.

[Al Sayre]

When I looked into it about 18 months ago, I found out that the red cross charges about $40.00 per person to put on a basic first aid course.  $40 x 30-40 cadets & seniors = a whole bunch of money, so I contacted the knowledgebase about what was "Equivalent".  They pointed me to the online version of the USAF "Buddy First Aid" course and suggested that I find an SET qualified Health Professional to instruct.  I did, it worked out great.  In fact, I'm in the process of setting it up again for this year.  I have an MD and a couple of RN's in the Squadron who are going to teach...

[Eclipse]

The key is to have your wing accept whatever the plan is.

The level needed is basic self/team care and stabilization while awaiting professional assistance.

We have several certified trainers in-house and spent some bucks a few years ago for the CPR dummies, so our
cost with those instructors is only about $10 a person for the books, which apparently are required for purchase through NIH.

[NJMEDIC]

I am an AHA (American Heart Association) instructor and have an agreement with my training center to only charge the cost of the cards and books if they are needed or wanted.  I donate my instructor time. :clap:

[DC]

My entire squadron recieved "Heartsaver First Aid" basically a BLS cert, for free from our city EMS service, they provided everything for free, classroom time, several instructors, books, and the cards. It was really great.

[IceNine]

Is UDF required?  No.  Should you take it or have some other type of basic medical training? You bet.  It is worth the nominal fee's (20 bucks or so) to have this in your arsenal, for you, for your teammates, for the one in a billion chance that the ELT you are looking for was activated by a pilot, or mechanic or whatever because he lost consciousness while preparing to change a battery on the ELT.


As for the rest,

Here is the break down for Red Cross only.

If you try to have it "contracted" to your unit it will cost you tremendously because, you are paying for rental of the mannequins, admin fees, and the cost of the instructor.

IF you get a red cross instructor to join you can do a third part agreement (let them handle the details of this)

Or check with local agencies (Fire, EMS, Police, Power Plant's, etc) and see if you can borrow the manequins.  Then you will pay a basic fee for the course (usually 35ish dollars, but not a hard fast rule)

Your most cost effective option is to send your folks to a basic FA and CPR class usually around $20 for both.  AT your local chapter. 

[MikeD]

There is no specification for what qualifies as "First Aid Training".

It varies from state to state.

In my wing, a 1-day "Community Level" First Aid class or equivalent from a certifying body willing to issue
a completion card is what is accepted.  For us that basically means, Red Cross, Green Cross, or American Institute of health.

Green Cross?   If that's something like a lime green cross on a black background I'd totally pay extra for that!    

In response to the most recent post, I plan on taking first aid regardless, and I'm strongly encouraging other people in my squadron to do the same.  It's primarily a question on when people can get qualified to go on missions as trainees or not.  Given that both bcut and first aid training are relatively rare, my opinion is that neither should be required to be a guided trainee. And the key point is that the regs seem confusing on the first aid card.  (both only happen once every few months vs. what it'd take to get someone signed off on most UDF tasks.)

[jimmydeanno]

Green Cross?   If that's something like a lime green cross on a black background I'd totally pay extra for that!    

I think that is the medical cannibus distribution organization...

The American Heart Association is a big provider of 1st Aide and CPR instruction.

[Al Sayre]

I've got a .pdf copy of AFMAN 44-163(I) (Buddy First Aid), but it's 2.5 MB and too big to upload here.  P.M. me withyour email if you want a copy.

[isuhawkeye]

i think the "Green Cross" refers to the national safety council.  they have a nationally recognized first aid course

[jimmydeanno]

i think the "Green Cross" refers to the national safety council.  they have a nationally recognized first aid course

Whew, that makes more sense, big difference though.

www.thegreencross.org

[isuhawkeye]

^^^ Unless I'm mistaken that is one of the international symbols for pharmacy.

Interesting use of a european health care symbol for a uniquely american counter culture push

[lordmonar]

Personally I think that first aid and CPR should be required for the GES rating.

Self-aid and buddy care is a good starting point...but there are a couple of items that don't fit.  We don't need the chem warfare treatment.  It is also a better fit then Red Cross first aid as the basic assumptions are different. (red cross assumes that EMT help is less then 15 minutes away...so it is very light in transport area...but SABC assumes field conditions so they teach tourniquets and stretcher carries.

[Eclipse]

Litter carries are addressed in other parts of the GTM curriculum, and would be inappropriate for UDF, since the "U" implies EMS is available.

I have been flabbergasted repeatedly that CPR is not required for our first aid at any level.