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The Best of Squadron Patches

Started by Pylon, January 09, 2006, 08:41:09 pm

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Eclipse

Has it changed already?

There seem to be two versions in this thread, one with rockers, one without.



biomed441

Nope no change. Its sopposed to have rockers. I just forgot that I never sent Chris the current version with rockers...

Irishrenegade

Quote from: Eclipse on August 20, 2010, 03:43:46 am
Has it changed already?

There seem to be two versions in this thread, one with rockers, one without.


One is the patch...one is for the challenge coins.
SWR-OK-113
Assistant Deputy Commander of Cadets|Information Technology Officer
Is laige ag imeacht as an gcorp í an phian


NY Bred and now in OK

dogden

Here is our squadron patch, we took most of the heraldry from the presidential seal with modifications to make it specific to G. H. W. Bush.

David C Ogden, Lt Col, CAP
Texas Wing, Group IV Commander
GRW#3325

DC

It looks nice, but it's a little busy. How well do things like the text on the scrolls and the lines in the background translate to embroidery?

vmstan

Although never a fan of the namesake, that is one of the most BA CAP logos I've seen.
MICHAEL M STANCLIFT, 1st Lt, CAP
Public Affairs Officer, NCR-KS-055, Heartland Squadron

Quote"I wish to compliment NHQ on this extremely well and clearly written regulation.
This publication once and for all should establish the uniform pattern to be followed
throughout Civil Air Patrol."

1949 Uniform and Insignia Committee comment on CAP Reg 35-4

SarDragon

Looks great except for one thing - ditch the serif type face. A sans serif type face is easier to read, and embroider.
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

Mustang

Quote from: Irishrenegade on August 19, 2010, 08:29:27 pm



Love the design, hate that you're using the unit charter number instead of the unit name.
"Amateurs train until they get it right; Professionals train until they cannot get it wrong. "


biomed441

We debated using the squadron name, though It was pushing the heraldry limits for allowable characters. Looked a little cramped in a rocker as well, so we went with the charter.

Mustang

"OKLAHOMA CITY COMP SQ" is too long??  It's one more character than "VOCATIO AD SERVITIUM".

Seems to me it would balance the top and bottom arcs.
"Amateurs train until they get it right; Professionals train until they cannot get it wrong. "


SarDragon

Quote from: Mustang on August 24, 2010, 03:30:12 am
"OKLAHOMA CITY COMP SQ" is too long??  It's one more character than "VOCATIO AD SERVITIUM".

Seems to me it would balance the top and bottom arcs.


Not exactly. By raw character count, that's correct. However, the squadron name has one more M and two fewer I's, in a variable width typeface, so it's even longer than you might think.

Here's what you get in Arial:

OKLAHOMA CITY COMP SQ
VOCATIO AD SERVITIUM

Could get a little crowded if everything's spelled out, but there's nothing wrong with abbreviating "Oklahoma City," which would be my choice.
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

Mustang

My issue with using unit charter numbers in lieu of official unit names is two-fold:

First, a charter number is utterly meaningless to the casual observer. Without the secret decoder ring, it remains a cipher.

Second, the NB and NHQ can (and have) unilaterally change the charter number system on a whim. The addition of the region identifier is a perfect example of that.  In contrast, I don't know of a single unit whose official name was affected by either charter number format change enacted over the past 20 years.
"Amateurs train until they get it right; Professionals train until they cannot get it wrong. "


Irishrenegade

August 24, 2010, 12:44:33 pm #632 Last Edit: August 24, 2010, 12:59:43 pm by Irishrenegade
We can probably look into it further than we already have (as the Lieutenant mentioned above) ...this is the approved one though. I dont like abbreviating anything along with everyone in the squadron so we all kinda made the decision as a "team" to have it this way. Honestly cant CAP Talk be about accepting everyone instead of shooting everything down?
SWR-OK-113
Assistant Deputy Commander of Cadets|Information Technology Officer
Is laige ag imeacht as an gcorp í an phian


NY Bred and now in OK

Майор Хаткевич

Quote from: Irishrenegade on August 24, 2010, 12:44:33 pm
We can probably look into it further than we already have (as the Lieutenant mentioned above) ...this is the approved one though. I dont like abbreviating anything along with everyone in the squadron so we all kinda made the decision as a "team" to have it this way. Honestly cant CAP Talk be about accepting everyone instead of shooting everything down?


I think it's a fair suggestion, and didn't look like it was shooting anything down. The Patch is still awesome, but what IS your unit name?

biomed441

I never saw it as being brought down. Always open for suggestions and opinions. Don't worry about it Irish, can't please everyone, and atempting to is well... dont even try to. The court of public opinion is just that, opinion.

As for our official squadron name, we are the Oklahoma City Composite Squadron. Within the unit and wing though, we are just known as 113. Does the charter mean anything to the public? No not really. Does the public need to know exactly who we are and where we are from just by looking at our uniform? Not so sure thats necessary either. Sometimes ambiguity can spark curiosity and conversation? My biggest concern was making sure AF heraldry standards were met. I know CAP doesnt exactly enforce them, and the AF seems to only loosely enforce them, but its just something that needs to be done IMHO.

SarDragon

As you may (or may not) have noticed in prior discussions, I am a BIG fan of unit names. Here in CAWG, the predominance is for unit numbers, and is distresses me to no end. Podunk Cadet Squadron is much more friendly than Squadron 26, and gives a local reference.

When someone says Big Bear, or Huntington Beach, or Fresno, or most any other location in California, it's easy to figure out where they are located. The squadrons with people's names are a bit harder, but are still better, IMHO, that a string of numbers.

Getting back to the patch, using OKLA CITY COMP SQ conveys more about the unit than SWR-OK-113, which sounds like it could be a part number for an aircraft part just as well as it could be a unit identifier.

YMMV.
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

RiverAux

Who are the squadron patches for?  CAP members or the general public?  That is what should drive what is on it. 

Should we dump the latin mottos since the public doesn't know Latin any more than they recognize CAP charter numbers?

dogden

Sorry for the delay in replying, I had log-in issues....

I did not realize our squadron patch and emblem are slightly different, the font is changed and the Latin scroll is moved. It is a big patch 4in round, it takes up most of the pocket on the BDU's and looks HUGE on the flightsuit. I think it is the best looking patch I have had in any of my squadrons.

David C Ogden, Lt Col, CAP
Texas Wing, Group IV Commander
GRW#3325

MIKE

Why would you be wearing it on the flight suit anyway?[/Loaded Question]  >:D


Mike Johnston

Eclipse

Quote from: MIKE on August 31, 2010, 06:57:09 pm
Why would you be wearing it on the flight suit anyway?[/Loaded Question] 


Some Wings have supplements which allow unit insignia to be worn as one of the optional patches.