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The proper wear of CAP ribbons

Started by AlphaSigOU, September 30, 2007, 04:37:30 pm

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AlphaSigOU

September 30, 2007, 04:37:30 pm Last Edit: August 20, 2011, 07:50:11 am by JC004
Attached is a guide I created on the proper wear of CAP ribbons. Makes things a lot easier to figure out than having to dig through a maze of regs and policy letters. This is only a guide - consult the latest CAP regulations and poliy letters for guidance.

ETA: Dug it out from an earlier thread for easier access - mods, please make it a sticky s'il vous plait.

Moderator Edit:  Most recent version (2008) replacing original download.
Lt Col Charles E. (Chuck) Corway, CAP
Gill Robb Wilson Award (#2901 - 2011)
Amelia Earhart Award (#1257 - 1982) - C/Major (retired)
Billy Mitchell Award (#2375 - 1981)
Administrative/Personnel/Professional Development Officer
Nellis Composite Squadron (PCR-NV-069)
KJ6GHO - NAR 45040

arajca

That's the one I was looking for! Thank you.

SDF_Specialist

SDF_Specialist

AlphaSigOU

Danke schoen... some may call me a uniform Nazi behind my back, but I'm proud to wear my CAP uniform. And when I wear it, I wear it properly. Being a former cadink helps.  ;D
Lt Col Charles E. (Chuck) Corway, CAP
Gill Robb Wilson Award (#2901 - 2011)
Amelia Earhart Award (#1257 - 1982) - C/Major (retired)
Billy Mitchell Award (#2375 - 1981)
Administrative/Personnel/Professional Development Officer
Nellis Composite Squadron (PCR-NV-069)
KJ6GHO - NAR 45040

Fireball

Very nicely done! However, you may want to insert a paragraph stating that this is a guide only and that the actual regulation must be adhered to.
R. N. Brock, Maj, CAP
NCWG

Fireball

My bad. After re-reading the document , I noticed that you had your disclaimer in the opening paragraph.
R. N. Brock, Maj, CAP
NCWG

AlphaSigOU

Quote from: Fireball on September 30, 2007, 04:58:28 pm
Very nicely done! However, you may want to insert a paragraph stating that this is a guide only and that the actual regulation must be adhered to.


Already did in the first paragraph of this document. I'll add that to the first post as well.
Lt Col Charles E. (Chuck) Corway, CAP
Gill Robb Wilson Award (#2901 - 2011)
Amelia Earhart Award (#1257 - 1982) - C/Major (retired)
Billy Mitchell Award (#2375 - 1981)
Administrative/Personnel/Professional Development Officer
Nellis Composite Squadron (PCR-NV-069)
KJ6GHO - NAR 45040

jb512

So am I correct in reading that RM ribbons can be worn on the white/blues, but not military badges?

The 15 March 06 memo states no RM "badges or devices", so are we interpreting that not to include ribbons as a prohibited item?

AlphaSigOU

Quote from: jaybird512 on September 30, 2007, 11:58:52 pm
So am I correct in reading that RM ribbons can be worn on the white/blues, but not military badges?

The 15 March 06 memo states no RM "badges or devices", so are we interpreting that not to include ribbons as a prohibited item?



[barracks lawyer mode on]

Way I interpret it, nichts on mil badges or devices; mil ribbons are kosher.

[/barracks lawyer mode off]

... waiting for the unmarked black van to send me to a 'reeducation' camp!  ;D
Lt Col Charles E. (Chuck) Corway, CAP
Gill Robb Wilson Award (#2901 - 2011)
Amelia Earhart Award (#1257 - 1982) - C/Major (retired)
Billy Mitchell Award (#2375 - 1981)
Administrative/Personnel/Professional Development Officer
Nellis Composite Squadron (PCR-NV-069)
KJ6GHO - NAR 45040

jb512

Yeah, yet another confusing wording from the bosses.  We had interpreted it to mean no RM things at all, but if ribbons are allowed on the corporates, that would be good news to a few of our prior military members who can't wear the blues anymore.

SarDragon

Remember, this only applies to white shirts with blue trousers. Saying "corporate uniform" is not specific enough.
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

addo1

  AlphaSigOU, I must say again: AWESOME.  This has already been a tremendous help to me the few minutes I had it.  Thanks.
Addison Jaynes, SFO, CAP
Coordinator, Texas Wing International Air Cadet Exchange


National Cadet Advisory Council 2010

jb512

Quote from: SarDragon on October 01, 2007, 06:50:24 am
Remember, this only applies to white shirts with blue trousers. Saying "corporate uniform" is not specific enough.


We need someone to put together a guide naming all of our different uniforms.

addo1

  Yeah, that would be wonderful.  :)
Addison Jaynes, SFO, CAP
Coordinator, Texas Wing International Air Cadet Exchange


National Cadet Advisory Council 2010

davedove

Quote from: AlphaSigOU on October 01, 2007, 12:32:49 am
Quote from: jaybird512 on September 30, 2007, 11:58:52 pm
So am I correct in reading that RM ribbons can be worn on the white/blues, but not military badges?

The 15 March 06 memo states no RM "badges or devices", so are we interpreting that not to include ribbons as a prohibited item?



[barracks lawyer mode on]

Way I interpret it, nichts on mil badges or devices; mil ribbons are kosher.

[/barracks lawyer mode off]

... waiting for the unmarked black van to send me to a 'reeducation' camp!  ;D


The 29 June 2006 memo states:

This double-breasted coat will be worn by senior member officers with metal grade insignia, the silver nametag and CAP ribbons, badges and devices as currently authorized on the Air Force Service Coat.


Note that it specifically says CAP ribbons, etc.  If it were to allow military ribbons, I don't believe any such specification would have been included.

Granted, that memo is talking about the jacket, but why would you allow more to be worn on the shirt than you would the jacket.  Also, this memo comes later, so any requirements here supersedes earlier requirements.
David W. Dove, Maj, CAP
Deputy Commander for Seniors
Personnel/PD/Asst. Testing Officer
Ground Team Leader
Frederick Composite Squadron
MER-MD-003

jb512

I'm getting the feeling that by "devices" they mean anything from the RM.  Looks like the white/blues are strictly CAP insignia/badges/ribbons/devices/accoutrements/ornaments/tassels/fringe/glitter.

SarDragon

Quote from: jaybird512 on October 01, 2007, 01:53:51 pm
Quote from: SarDragon on October 01, 2007, 06:50:24 am
Remember, this only applies to white shirts with blue trousers. Saying "corporate uniform" is not specific enough.


We need someone to put together a guide naming all of our different uniforms.



I think that's covered pretty well by the CAPM 39-1, and subsequent memos. Sadly, there is no other guidance available.
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

Eclipse

Quote from: jaybird512 on October 01, 2007, 03:09:41 pm
I'm getting the feeling that by "devices" they mean anything from the RM.  Looks like the white/blues are strictly CAP insignia/badges/ribbons/devices/accoutrements/ornaments/tassels/fringe/glitter.



That is my take on it and I have not seen anything to contradict it.

Corporate / distinctive = no RealMilitary® anything.



a2capt

Well.. no RM anything, the rank insignias on the TPU are RM...  hmmm..

But this thread is about ribbons.

GaryJSO

Has anybody seen anything in CAP channels to figure out what ribbons NOT to wear in order to keep the top of my wings below the notch of the collar?  If I wear everything authorized by the AF and CAP, it comes to a total of 46 ribbons.  Aside from looking like a Peruvian Admiral, the top of my wings end up under my epaulet.

I make do with adding a bar of what I consider to be my 8 most significant CAP ribbons (ESA, MSA, Lifesaving, GRW, Mitchell, Find, SAR, and DR) under my AF rack in service dress and doing without on my shirt.  My JSAM is pretty much MIA in that configuration, but that is literally a small price to pay for not buying another $60 set of ultrathins.

But the guidance in 39-1 is conflicting (I know everybody is shocked) saying wear of ribbons is mandatory, but then (reasonably but still in conflict) saying you can't wear so ribbons it pushes the wings too high.

I think the USCGAux has the right idea: Auxies can choose to wear all, their top 3, or their choice of 9 ribbons.