future CAP OCP uniform: blue name tapes w/ camo pattern rank?

[Stonewall]

The good thing is, if any of us are wrong, and someone will be, it's just velcro.

I'm looking at one of the draft images (probably 6+ months old) that shows a cadet OCP uniform where it says, "model rocketry patch on left sleeve" and "unit patch on right sleeve".

I am very confident it won't be limited to model rocketry patches, but more like "patch of member's choice" such as NCSA, model rocketry, first aid, etc. Obviously, TBD.

In the AF, we wear our command patch on the left sleeve and unit patch on the right. But of course, there are lots of options. Like an AF firefighter can wear the fire protection patch (the one that looks like a badge) on one of the sleeves. I can't even remember.

Again, CAP will be MoreMilitaryThanTheMilitary™ like it always is. If you walked onto my base at work, you'd see at least 20 different configurations, many of which aren't authorized, but no one really cares.

Like I said, it's velcro, so whatever the reg ends up saying, it's an easy switch.

[Shuman 14]

It seems the USAF doesn't want any badges or patches on the OCP breast pockets, which means the Missile Badge and SF Badge and Firefighter Badge has to go someplace else other than the breast pockets.

In the Army, lots of badges go on the breast pockets (i.e. Drill Sergeant, Instructor, Tomb Guard, Recruiter, IG, Army Staff, Etc.), but different strokes for different Services.

But your absolutely right, VELCRO is a wonderful thing. 

[CSomers611]

It seems the USAF doesn't want any badges or patches on the OCP breast pockets, which means the Missile Badge and SF Badge and Firefighter Badge has to go someplace else other than the breast pockets.

This was the reason for Identifier patches, was supposed to be for key careers such as Fire Department and Security Forces to quickly "identify" them but now everyone and their mother has these so it kind of defeats the initial point.

[CSomers611]

These are a few setups from people who have been waiting for the official notification. Of course, everyone really does understand the risks with doing this, there will likely be changes, like the rank tab for Seniors, will there be a "CAP" above the rank or not?

Either way, it's fun and obviously many are excited, and rightfully so.

Very cool.

So my question is, based on the pictures you posted, do I have my Wing Patch in the wrong Place?

As I read DAFI36-2903 29 FEBRUARY 2024, this is the placement of Patches, from top to bottom:

Right Sleeve
The U.S. Flag Patch
Organizational Unit of Assignment Patch (Squadron Patch?)

Left Sleeve
Career Field Identifier Patch (AUX Patch)
Graduated Commander's Badge Patch (if authorized)
Joint Qualification Tabs (i.e. Special Forces, Ranger, Sapper, Sniper, Etc., if authorized)
Higher Headquarters Patch (Wing Patch?)

So, is the CAP Command Patch the Higher Headquarters Patch, and the Wing Patch is the Organizational Unit of Assignment Patch?

OR

Is the Wing Patch the Higher Headquarters Patch and the Squadron Patch the Organizational Unit of Assignment Patch?

I made the best guess that the Wing patch is the Higher Headquarters, but after seeing your posted pictures, I'm not sure. 

In the Air Force, the command patch/MAJCOM is on the wearer's left and the Squadron is on the right of the OCP's.

So if CAP does it like the ABU's, I could see the State Wing patch on wearer's left with the AUX identifier above it. Then on the right sleeve would be Squadron or other patches.

[Shuman 14]

Just stirring the pot...

Has anyone heard anything further on OCPs? Seems crazy that we are still in ABUs at this point. I'm getting retiring/discharging Soldiers giving me their service-able OCPS to donate to CAP. So the "shortage" seems to be over.

[PHall]

Just stirring the pot...

Has anyone heard anything further on OCPs? Seems crazy that we are still in ABUs at this point. I'm getting retiring/discharging Soldiers giving me their service-able OCPS to donate to CAP. So the "shortage" seems to be over.

The "shortage" was over five years ago.

[Paul Creed III]

Just stirring the pot...

Has anyone heard anything further on OCPs? Seems crazy that we are still in ABUs at this point. I'm getting retiring/discharging Soldiers giving me their service-able OCPS to donate to CAP. So the "shortage" seems to be over.

There was a mention of them in the third video: https://www.capnhq.gov/V3/CommanderUpdates.

[Shuman 14]

There was a mention of them in the third video: https://www.capnhq.gov/V3/CommanderUpdates.

Thank you for the link, missed this somehow.

So, CAPHQ says it did its job and submitted the request to the USAF and the Pentagon, and we are awaiting their response for APPROVAL, DENIAL, or further questions/concerns. I appreciate her transparency in stating this on a format that everyone in CAP can see and hear.

So, we hurry up and wait. Somethings, be it Military or CAP, never change.

The only thing I would like to see going forward is the proposal they sent to the USAF and DOD, just to understand what CAP leadership thought was the best idea for the CAP version of the OCP uniform. What I'm getting at is:

Full Color vs Subdued Tapes, Ranks, Badges, Patches
Coyote vs Black boots
Coyote vs Black T-shirts
AUX Identifier Patch
Breast Pocket Patches vs no Breast Pocket Patches
"CAP" on Rank Patch vs Just Rank on Patch
etc.

So, if something changes from the ABU and/or BDU versions, which we have become accustomed to, we know if it was someone within CAP that made the recommendation, or if it was a USAF or DOD change that was directed.

 

[Fubar]

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The only thing I would like to see going forward is the proposal they sent to the USAF and DOD, just to understand what CAP leadership thought was the best idea for the CAP version of the OCP uniform. What I'm getting at is:

I understand your interest, but CAP leaders have learned the hard way more than once that once you publish anything uniform related, even in draft, lots of uber passionate uniform fans will treat it as law.

So, if something changes from the ABU and/or BDU versions, which we have become accustomed to, we know if it was someone within CAP that made the recommendation, or if it was a USAF or DOD change that was directed.

On this one, I'm not following your interest. Why does it matter who wants the changes? At the end of the day, we get what we get.

[Shuman 14]

On this one, I'm not following your interest. Why does it matter who wants the changes? At the end of the day, we get what we get.

I guess its like asking Mom or Dad, USAF being Dad. Meaning DAD is usually more hardline and if he says No, it means No, whereas Mom is sometimes open to a discussion and might say Yes if it is explained to her.

Also, if its a "Good Idea" Faery, where to direct the bug spray at.