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NHQ Needs to release guidance

Started by OldGuy, March 17, 2020, 02:57:36 pm

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PHall

CAWG is complying the MOU we have with both the Red Cross and the California Office of Emergency Services.
If we're not going to honor the MOU we enter in to then why are we in the Emergency Services and Disaster Relief business?

Eclipse

Quote from: xyzzy on March 18, 2020, 04:54:27 pmAn opportunity to do something useful with internal communications channels is to alert members that the Red Cross has a serious blood shortage; many blood drives have been cancelled due to the pandemic. More information is at the obvious place, https://www.redcross.org/

These are members who have internet access but don't see the news?



Eclipse

Quote from: PHall on March 18, 2020, 03:57:56 pmCAWG is complying the MOU we have with both the Red Cross and the California Office of Emergency Services.
If we're not going to honor the MOU we enter in to then why are we in the Emergency Services and Disaster Relief business?

Cite please.

If CAWG has a a separate MOU then the National one, fair enough,
but the national one just basically recognizes the existence of both orgs
and had no response commitments to honor.



PHall

The R
Quote from: Eclipse on March 18, 2020, 05:12:41 pm
Quote from: PHall on March 18, 2020, 03:57:56 pmCAWG is complying the MOU we have with both the Red Cross and the California Office of Emergency Services.
If we're not going to honor the MOU we enter in to then why are we in the Emergency Services and Disaster Relief business?

Cite please.

If CAWG has a a separate MOU then the National one, fair enough,
but the national one just basically recognizes the existence of both orgs
and had no response commitments to honor.
Quote from: Eclipse on March 18, 2020, 05:12:41 pm
Quote from: PHall on March 18, 2020, 03:57:56 pmCAWG is complying the MOU we have with both the Red Cross and the California Office of Emergency Services.
If we're not going to honor the MOU we enter in to then why are we in the Emergency Services and Disaster Relief business?

Cite please.

If CAWG has a a separate MOU then the National one, fair enough,
but the national one just basically recognizes the existence of both orgs
and had no response commitments to honor.


The Red Cross called and asked if we could help them. CalOES and the NOC signed off on it.
The Red Cross is involved because LA Unified School District called them asking for help.


etodd

March 18, 2020, 06:03:39 pm #44 Last Edit: March 18, 2020, 06:08:31 pm by etodd
We are being asked to shelter in place and keep social distance. Let the First Responders handle things until they ask us directly. Why are we even considering sending Cadets and Seniors out into the community?    I doubt many parents would let their Cadets participate. And many seniors are busy babysitting kids and grandkids. Stand down and stay home.
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JayT

Quote from: PHall on March 18, 2020, 05:22:10 pmThe R
Quote from: Eclipse on March 18, 2020, 05:12:41 pm
Quote from: PHall on March 18, 2020, 03:57:56 pmCAWG is complying the MOU we have with both the Red Cross and the California Office of Emergency Services.
If we're not going to honor the MOU we enter in to then why are we in the Emergency Services and Disaster Relief business?

Cite please.

If CAWG has a a separate MOU then the National one, fair enough,
but the national one just basically recognizes the existence of both orgs
and had no response commitments to honor.
Quote from: Eclipse on March 18, 2020, 05:12:41 pm
Quote from: PHall on March 18, 2020, 03:57:56 pmCAWG is complying the MOU we have with both the Red Cross and the California Office of Emergency Services.
If we're not going to honor the MOU we enter in to then why are we in the Emergency Services and Disaster Relief business?

Cite please.

If CAWG has a a separate MOU then the National one, fair enough,
but the national one just basically recognizes the existence of both orgs
and had no response commitments to honor.


The Red Cross called and asked if we could help them. CalOES and the NOC signed off on it.
The Red Cross is involved because LA Unified School District called them asking for help.



What exactly are they doing? Distributing meals?
"Eagerness and thrill seeking in others' misery is psychologically corrosive, and is also rampant in EMS. It's a natural danger of the job. It will be something to keep under control, something to fight against."

Eclipse

Quote from: PHall on March 18, 2020, 05:22:10 pmThe Red Cross called and asked if we could help them. CalOES and the NOC signed off on it.

That's not "honoring an MOU" that's answering the phone, and since when is the NOC involved in DR missions?

Wouldn't this be a C-mission?



NovemberWhiskey

Quote from: Eclipse on March 18, 2020, 08:29:46 pmWouldn't this be a C-mission?

Looks like it, assuming I'm looking at the right mission in WMIRS. For those who have access, it is one of the two currently-open C99 missions for CA.

sardak

Quote from: Eclipse on March 18, 2020, 08:29:46 pm
Quote from: PHall on March 18, 2020, 05:22:10 pmThe Red Cross called and asked if we could help them. CalOES and the NOC signed off on it.

That's not "honoring an MOU" that's answering the phone, and since when is the NOC involved in DR missions?

Wouldn't this be a C-mission?

CAPR 60-3
1-3 (a) "B" missions must have some level of federal interest in order for the mission to be authorized to receive federal insurance coverage. [Otherwise C]
1-5 (a). NOC. The NOC is the single resource for assisting customers in obtaining CAP support, coordinating mission approval and up-channeling reports for both Air Force Assigned Missions and CAP corporate missions.
1-5 (2)(a) The NOC is directly involved in coordinating all types of missions except SAR missions.

PHall

Quote from: JayT on March 18, 2020, 08:10:16 pm
Quote from: PHall on March 18, 2020, 05:22:10 pmThe R
Quote from: Eclipse on March 18, 2020, 05:12:41 pm
Quote from: PHall on March 18, 2020, 03:57:56 pmCAWG is complying the MOU we have with both the Red Cross and the California Office of Emergency Services.
If we're not going to honor the MOU we enter in to then why are we in the Emergency Services and Disaster Relief business?

Cite please.

If CAWG has a a separate MOU then the National one, fair enough,
but the national one just basically recognizes the existence of both orgs
and had no response commitments to honor.
Quote from: Eclipse on March 18, 2020, 05:12:41 pm
Quote from: PHall on March 18, 2020, 03:57:56 pmCAWG is complying the MOU we have with both the Red Cross and the California Office of Emergency Services.
If we're not going to honor the MOU we enter in to then why are we in the Emergency Services and Disaster Relief business?

Cite please.

If CAWG has a a separate MOU then the National one, fair enough,
but the national one just basically recognizes the existence of both orgs
and had no response commitments to honor.


The Red Cross called and asked if we could help them. CalOES and the NOC signed off on it.
The Red Cross is involved because LA Unified School District called them asking for help.



What exactly are they doing? Distributing meals?

Yes. From school district locations.

JohhnyD

We have the ability to handle Point of Distribution, Communications, Blood and Organ transport, Aerial photography, and Red Cross support. It is also likely we will get non-COVID-19 taskings as primary agencies for taskings we can do get overloaded.

So what planning for this taking place?

etodd

Quote from: JohhnyD on March 19, 2020, 12:34:43 amWe have the ability to handle Point of Distribution, Communications, Blood and Organ transport, Aerial photography, and Red Cross support. It is also likely we will get non-COVID-19 taskings as primary agencies for taskings we can do get overloaded.

So what planning for this taking place?


 I doubt many parents would let their Cadets participate. Defeats the purpose of staying home from school. And many seniors are busy babysitting kids and grandkids. I wouldn't expect a big turnout if you try to mobilize. Stay home.
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sUAS MP - sUAS Instructor - sUAS Check Pilot

JohhnyD

Quote from: etodd on March 19, 2020, 01:08:48 am
Quote from: JohhnyD on March 19, 2020, 12:34:43 amWe have the ability to handle Point of Distribution, Communications, Blood and Organ transport, Aerial photography, and Red Cross support. It is also likely we will get non-COVID-19 taskings as primary agencies for taskings we can do get overloaded.

So what planning for this taking place?


 I doubt many parents would let their Cadets participate. Defeats the purpose of staying home from school. And many seniors are busy babysitting kids and grandkids. I wouldn't expect a big turnout if you try to mobilize. Stay home.
Wow, what a generalization. What a stalwart approach. From the Greatest Generation to this. Sad.

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PHall

But if we were using drones on this mission...

Eclipse




baronet68

Quote from: etodd on March 19, 2020, 01:08:48 amI doubt many parents would let their Cadets participate. Defeats the purpose of staying home from school. And many seniors are busy babysitting kids and grandkids. I wouldn't expect a big turnout if you try to mobilize. Stay home.

Reminds me of my cadet days in the 1980's when we trained in radiological monitoring.  My parents told me I could train all I wanted but, if there ever actually was an exchange of nuclear warheads  :o  , my chances of running around town measuring radiation with by CAP buddies were non-existent.  ::) 
Michael Moore, Maj, CAP
National Recruiting & Retention Manager

SarDragon

We got an update around 1830 - no one under 18, so that excludes most of the cadets who may have signed up. This was a Red Cross/Cal OES decision.
Dave Bowles
Maj, CAP
AT1, USN Retired
50 Year Member
Mitchell Award (unnumbered)
C/WO, CAP, Ret

Professor Safety & Emergency Services

Quote from: Eclipse on March 18, 2020, 03:04:49 pm^This.

CAP has no DR doctrine, no HAZMAT or BIOHAZ training and PPE is a check box around first aid.

Arguably 50+% of the adult membership is at risk for being seriously ill if infected.

100% of the cadet membership can be carriers without showing symptoms.

This is not a place for CAP to wander into.

Volunteer elsewhere with an agency that's done this before and will hopefully
provide proper training based on experience.

I would have to agree. We may be able to assist on a local or maybe state level scale, but this has expanded beyond our capabilities and volunteer role. It is however a good lesson and I would hope an AAR is done and we can learn from it.
Always seeking to learn.

JayT

Quote from: JohhnyD on March 19, 2020, 01:35:08 am
Quote from: etodd on March 19, 2020, 01:08:48 am
Quote from: JohhnyD on March 19, 2020, 12:34:43 amWe have the ability to handle Point of Distribution, Communications, Blood and Organ transport, Aerial photography, and Red Cross support. It is also likely we will get non-COVID-19 taskings as primary agencies for taskings we can do get overloaded.

So what planning for this taking place?


 I doubt many parents would let their Cadets participate. Defeats the purpose of staying home from school. And many seniors are busy babysitting kids and grandkids. I wouldn't expect a big turnout if you try to mobilize. Stay home.
Wow, what a generalization. What a stalwart approach. From the Greatest Generation to this. Sad.


Listen, here's a reality check that you need. This isn't a wartime situation where the bulk of the action is overseas, and there's auxiliary tasks that can be preformed at home, safely by volunteers. This is a major public health crisis where thousands of people will die if this country isn't locked down as tight as possible. I am in the New York metro region, and our hospitals are at the breaking point. Non COVID19 patients are dying because there's not enough to go around for them. The ONLY way to prevent that is to not expose yourself and spread it to others. That's the only way we're going to get ahead of this. There's simply no need for the services that CAP can offer in this one, except keep 50K people out of the line of fire.
"Eagerness and thrill seeking in others' misery is psychologically corrosive, and is also rampant in EMS. It's a natural danger of the job. It will be something to keep under control, something to fight against."