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deepblue1947
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« on: January 14, 2019, 05:44:34 PM »

CAP Pamphlet 152 is a guide for using social media, not a regulation.  Other than this, is anyone aware of any CAP Regulation that dictates what can or cannot be said on a members personal facebook page in regard to their religious or political beliefs?

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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2019, 06:00:22 PM »

CAP Pamphlet 152 is a guide for using social media, not a regulation.  Other than this, is anyone aware of any CAP Regulation that dictates what can or cannot be said on a members personal facebook page in regard to their religious or political beliefs?

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Good grief.  Please don't get this started.  What people do outside of CAP is none of CAP's business. We're just a bunch of CIVILIAN volunteers.

(Hoping to see this thread locked quick, as I'm afraid of how this could turn out.)
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2019, 06:02:38 PM »

Don't post anything you wouldn't say to your family or that you wouldn't want a potential employer to discover.
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2019, 06:06:45 PM »

What people do outside of CAP is none of CAP's business.

Obviously this is not 100% true. If you commit felonies outside of CAP, it is absolutely CAP's business.

@OP I don't know what you're fishing for here, but generally CAP is CAP and personal life is personal life. However, those aren't always exclusive boundaries and bad personal actions can affect your CAP membership (which is, after all, a privilege and not a right).
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2019, 06:13:30 PM »

It depends: is the content in respect to one's personal opinion reflecting themselves or one's opinions in direct representation of CAP (e.g., posting on your Facebook status "My CAP squadron commander is a *expletive*" can have consequences in CAP).

If you reference CAP, you're speaking on behalf of CAP. That includes wearing a uniform in your profile photo.

I'm fairly political on Facebook. I'll share CAP posts and photos from time to time. I don't mix the two. I won't share a political post with "so what CAP does is..." in the same post. I keep them separated.

Don't bring something to discredit the organization, because then it's no difference than a teacher discrediting their school. You don't talk about your chain of command; wear the uniform properly if displayed on social media; don't talk about others by name.

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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2019, 06:15:23 PM »

CAP Pamphlet 152 is a guide for using social media, not a regulation.  Other than this, is anyone aware of any CAP Regulation that dictates what can or cannot be said on a members personal facebook page in regard to their religious or political beliefs?

Thank you
DB

Good grief.  Please don't get this started.  What people do outside of CAP is none of CAP's business. We're just a bunch of CIVILIAN volunteers.

(Hoping to see this thread locked quick, as I'm afraid of how this could turn out.)

What? You don't think CIVILIANS have to follow rules too?
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deepblue1947
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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2019, 06:58:18 PM »

Get what started e todd?  I just asked a question.  Why get so excited over a perfectly reasonable question?  You want to lock a thread down for asking a question?

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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2019, 07:13:57 PM »

I think others have correctly pointed out that -- with a few exceptions -- CAP has little or no interest in your private life or how you express yourself on-line.

I actively participate on Facebook, and elsewhere in the social media universe.

Life is about balance, and I hope that is reflected on my FB page. 

CAP has been a major portion of my life for decades.  Heck, I met my beloved wife of 37 years in the program.  My kids were raised during and around CAP activates. I still typically do 3-4 weeks CAP "active duty" each year between COS, encampments, IACE, teaching at Command Council meetings, and generally waiving the CP flag whenever necessary.

That said, it can be hard to tell from my FB that I am in the organization.  Maybe 1-2% of my posts relate to CAP.  None of my profile pictures have ever shown me in CAP uniform.  It's not a secret of course, because I have literally hundreds of CAP friends who are also FB friends. 

But it is just that I have so many other interests.  I'm a major foodie.  I make award-winning wines from my own modest vineyard.  I travel extensively, mostly for my Uncle Sam.  And I do enjoy engaging with my friends in social media.

But given my day job as elected official under a fair amount of scrutiny, I also have rules.  My social media is locked down to friends only.  I don't friend cadets.  (Weird, huh?  But as the author of much of the CPP doctrine, it avoids issues.)  Nor do I friend people in the workplace over whom I have any control or input over their careers or cases.  And I don't discuss, share, or endorse partisan politics of any flavor or on matters of faith.  I don't "like" commercial ventures of any kind.  While I, on occasion, contribute to worthy causes endorsed by my friends, I never solicit charitable or political contributions. 

(Final note:  if you send me a friend request, and your profile picture and most of your posts are CAP-related, the odds are pretty good I will not accept.  Just as I favor balance, so too do I look for that in my friends.  Obviously, YMMV.  And you get to pick your own friends.)

 
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2019, 07:26:47 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2019, 09:29:22 PM »

See https://www.cjonline.com/news/state-government/2017-09-17/kansas-civil-air-patrol-officer-reinstated-after-calling-legislator

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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2019, 09:54:57 PM »

Hi Old Guy,

All I can say after following that link is just, WOW.  The reason for my question was not anything quite as dynamic as that incident but did pertain to first amendment rights of expressing Christian beliefs and the meaning of Christmas. 

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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2019, 10:35:05 PM »

With all the social media available today, and the impact that it can have on your life, I'd be very careful posting "anything" on social media.  College admissions reps and recruiters will look at your posts, prospective employers, maybe even military recruiters will check also.  Be careful!
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2019, 10:35:39 PM »

The First Amendment does not apply, this is a common misnomer.

The First Amendment only applies to the Federal Government passing laws that restrict speech and religion.

CAP, per se, is a private organization, just like a business, and can place whatever restrictions it deems necessary
on its members, who then agree to abide by its rules, whatever those are.
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2019, 10:43:36 PM »

FWIW, the only way to "win" Social Media is not to play.

How and why people don't understand that escapes me more each day with every divorce, drama, and "outing of whatever"
that happens more each day.
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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2019, 10:54:40 PM »

FWIW, the only way to "win" Social Media is not to play.

How and why people don't understand that escapes me more each day with every divorce, drama, and "outing of whatever"
that happens more each day.

What is "winning" social media? Yes, it's chock full of issues and people of all ages acting like juveniles, but it seems to me that not participating in social media in the current age would be a "loss".  Managing one's social media and internet profile such as Nin said above essentially mitigates the nonsense - and you're left with the utility and connection that the platform provides. Choosing to abstain from all social media in this era doesn't seem like a "win" to me.

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« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2019, 11:00:53 PM »

...it seems to me that not participating in social media in the current age would be a "loss". 

A loss of what?  Dopamine?
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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2019, 12:37:14 AM »

With all the social media available today, and the impact that it can have on your life, I'd be very careful posting "anything" on social media.  College admissions reps and recruiters will look at your posts, prospective employers, maybe even military recruiters will check also.  Be careful!
You get old enough and it does not matter.
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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2019, 12:39:38 AM »

Hi Old Guy,

All I can say after following that link is just, WOW.  The reason for my question was not anything quite as dynamic as that incident but did pertain to first amendment rights of expressing Christian beliefs and the meaning of Christmas. 

DB
Indeed. You have a great deal - near unlimited - freedom. That said, wing weenies will try to torment you. They have me. I make bad smells at them, metaphorically speaking, of course. And laughter, laughter helps.
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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2019, 12:40:20 AM »

...it seems to me that not participating in social media in the current age would be a "loss". 

A loss of what?  Dopamine?
Branding. Communication. Excitement. Laughter.
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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2019, 12:47:57 AM »

...it seems to me that not participating in social media in the current age would be a "loss". 

A loss of what?  Dopamine?
Branding. Communication. Excitement. Laughter.

Narcissism.

None of the things you mentioned is closed to people not wasting time in social media.

You share those things directly with actual friends and actual family, instead of
shouting at the windmills as
if anyone cares.

Grandma can see photos of the kids without subjecting the rest of the family to MLM pitches
via email of other direct sharing.

People use Twitbook for the gratification of the likes. 

Period.

Turn that useless site into a 1-way web experience with no "engagement" and it would die in a month.

To a point made above.  Why, on earth, would anyone get "political" on social media?
Beyond uncomfortable meals and alienated cousins, what the heck is the point?
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