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GES in person

Started by Jester, January 06, 2019, 04:30:06 pm

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Jester

I've seen slides for GES, but if how is this training documented in eservices?

Pace

GES training is documented through completion of CAPT 116 - GES. Pass the online test, and it will be automatically documented in e-services.
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Eclipse

I seem to recall a testing officer could download a copy of the paper test, though that
was >quite< a while ago (the 116 itself now celebrating its 10th birthday).

The preferred practice is doing it online.



Jester

I'd rather knock out all new members at once than hound them to complete the online test at home.


Stonewall

Quote from: Jester on January 06, 2019, 06:51:16 pm
I'd rather knock out all new members at once than hound them to complete the online test at home.


This SHOULD be an option. I watched my son take GES a few months ago and realized it was antiquated and most was irrelevant to someone at the GES level.

jeders

Quote from: Jester on January 06, 2019, 04:30:06 pm
I've seen slides for GES, but if how is this training documented in eservices?


The slides are used for giving the class, however, the training is only completed and documented once the online test has been passed. There is no longer a paper test (I've looked...many times).
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Eclipse

I've always felt that GES was at best mis-aimed, and at worse irrelevant.

The idea that CAP has rules and regs about ES and that disobeying them has consequences,
potentially even outside the organization, is important, but the average new member
gets so mired in "posse-comi-whatus again?", they lose focus on what they actually can do.

No new member at the GES level, and zero cadets, can make the commitments or most of the mistakes
discussed as they have neither the access nor the authority, and the question about things like annual
ES plans, etc., aren't to the rank and file operators.

Private property rules, etc., are important, but would be better handled as part of the respective training
instead of a top-level test taken before the member even understands 1/2 the terms.

It's likely an actuary somewhere who wanted to easily pull a list down that says "see we told you not to do that"
in a court room.

Same goes for the FEMA stuff which a lot of member just blow through with the F3 key and never really "get".



Holding Pattern

Aren't you able to use multi-entry -> GES to do it classroom style?

TheSkyHornet

Quote from: Eclipse on January 06, 2019, 11:37:11 pm
Same goes for the FEMA stuff which a lot of member just blow through with the F3 key and never really "get".


Teach people to blow through it with the F5 key instead.

Eclipse

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on January 11, 2019, 05:39:20 pm
Quote from: Eclipse on January 06, 2019, 11:37:11 pm
Same goes for the FEMA stuff which a lot of member just blow through with the F3 key and never really "get".


Teach people to blow through it with the F5 key instead.


That would certainly keep the hamster busy...



Jester

Quote from: Holding Pattern on January 11, 2019, 05:33:56 pm
Aren't you able to use multi-entry -> GES to do it classroom style?

I didn't think of that, I'll try it.

jb3

I recently conducted a GES class for my squadron. You can download a paper copy of the GES test on eServices. Online learning, LMS, Download Quiz. Of course once you download and print the tests you have to document and secure them in accordance with test control regulations. You update the GES qualification just like you would for other ratings in Operations Qualifications on eServices.

I find the classroom method better than the online test but that's just my personal opinion.

CAP9907

Quote from: jb3 on November 15, 2019, 01:44:54 am
I recently conducted a GES class for my squadron. You can download a paper copy of the GES test on eServices. Online learning, LMS, Download Quiz. Of course once you download and print the tests you have to document and secure them in accordance with test control regulations. You update the GES qualification just like you would for other ratings in Operations Qualifications on eServices.

I find the classroom method better than the online test but that's just my personal opinion.


Agree as it gives rise to Q&A and some interesting discussions about the intent behind our procedures.

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etodd

Quote from: Jester on January 06, 2019, 06:51:16 pm
I'd rather knock out all new members at once than hound them to complete the online test at home.


Getting them all to show up, together,  at a certain time for the training and testing, is easier than them doing it on their on schedule at home?

Sounds like it shouldn't be that way, but people are funny.
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jb3

Good point. But GES is one of those topics that I prefer to teach because the online test doesn't come close to getting new members oriented with emergency services. If nothing else, it confuses them with reimbursement requirements and regulation numbers. I'm not against online testing, As a matter of fact I remember how much time we used to spend on cadet testing at meetings and am so glad that cadets can test at home now. It frees up meeting time for other classes and activities. I just like to be able to answer questions about emergency services early for members interested in ES.

I know that some squadrons have solid ES programs so GES is a formality for members to knock out before moving onto better training. For those units the online test may work well. For an overseas cadet squadron (like mine) ES is less emphasized so the classroom method works better. I think its good to have both options available depending on the squadron's needs.

TheSkyHornet

I can't believe that I've seen senior members tell other new senior members that they "have" to complete GES, and sit them down for weeks to "present GES material."

And you wonder why there's a retention problem...

Eclipse

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on November 15, 2019, 03:58:49 pm
I can't believe that I've seen senior members tell other new senior members that they "have" to complete GES, and sit them down for weeks to "present GES material."

And you wonder why there's a retention problem...


Seriously, this is a 15-30 minute exercise in reading comprehension for most adults.
The problem is that "GES" gets wrapped into "all the nuance of CAP ES< including our wing flavors, etc."

Just get the box checked, answer direct questions and worry about who pays for the Windex in the airplanes later.



Gunsotsu

eServices -> LMS -> Download Quiz -> CAPT 116 - General ES - September 2009 -> Download Hardcopy (sic) Quiz -> Administer quiz -> Correct quiz to 100% -> eServices -> Operations Qualifications -> Multi Entry -> Input CAPIDs/Select GES - General Emergency Services -> Input completion date -> Submit -> Put printed test in the recycle bin


There doesn't need to be weeks long training. There doesn't need to be hours long reading. In-person, thirty minutes start to finish (including explaining the answers), and ten minutes max inputting completion. 

SarDragon

Quote from: Gunsotsu on November 16, 2019, 07:47:25 pm
... -> Submit -> Put printed test in the recycle bin


There doesn't need to be weeks long training. There doesn't need to be hours long reading. In-person, thirty minutes start to finish (including explaining the answers), and ten minutes max inputting completion.


Almost.

-> Submit -> Shred test
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TheSkyHornet

Quote from: Gunsotsu on November 16, 2019, 07:47:25 pm
There doesn't need to be weeks long training.


You have no idea how much I've battled this...