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francisderosa16
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« on: June 06, 2018, 06:03:05 PM »

Hello,
Will CAP permit wearing the Blue Beret with the ABUs after Blue Beret Encampment, or is it just during Blue Beret Encampment? The reason I ask this is because of the Uniform Change letter doesn't seem clear to me and also the USAF Security Forces wear a Navy Blue, Blue Beret very similar to the CAP Blue Beret.

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Levi Lockling
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2018, 06:06:53 PM »

Verboten as of this moment. You can only wear it with ABUs during National Blue Beret(Which is an NCSA, not an encampment), and with BDU/BBDU uniforms elsewhere.

Until such a time as they change it, you'll need to get BDUs to wear the beret after NBB. That's IF they change it. Anything other than the change letter at this point is speculation and RUMINT.

EDIT: Added clarity

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TheSkyHornet
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2018, 10:03:00 AM »

And keep in mind that the Wing or Region has to have an approved supplement to CAPM 39-1 authorizing wear outside of the NBB activity.

Really, if you're at an activity, and everyone else is in a patrol cap, you should be in a patrol cap.
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Airplane girl
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2018, 10:48:42 AM »

Sir, I know that CAPM 39-1 is really confusingly worded when it comes to this, but people who have attended NBB are not required to have a wing supplement to wear the beret. Here is the direct quote from CAPM 39-1. A wing supplement is only required if they have not attended NBB.

“ Navy blue. May be worn by National Blue Beret graduates or by other members whenspecifically authorized by wing or region supplement or additional NHQ directive. May only be worn with the BDU or Blue Field Uniform. Position headband straight across the forehead, one inch above the eyebrows. Drape the top over the right ear and the stiffener. Adjust ribbon for comfort, tie in a knot, and tuck inside or cut-off. Appropriate flight cap device will be worn unless worn due to Blue Beret attendance, in which case the member will wear the Blue Beret, beret device.”

Although I do agree, if you’re attending a wing activity or something like that, sometimes it is best to just wear a Patrol cap.

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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2018, 12:19:01 PM »

Sir, I know that CAPM 39-1 is really confusingly worded when it comes to this, but people who have attended NBB are not required to have a wing supplement to wear the beret. Here is the direct quote from CAPM 39-1. A wing supplement is only required if they have not attended NBB.

“ Navy blue. May be worn by National Blue Beret graduates or by other members whenspecifically authorized by wing or region supplement or additional NHQ directive. May only be worn with the BDU or Blue Field Uniform. Position headband straight across the forehead, one inch above the eyebrows. Drape the top over the right ear and the stiffener. Adjust ribbon for comfort, tie in a knot, and tuck inside or cut-off. Appropriate flight cap device will be worn unless worn due to Blue Beret attendance, in which case the member will wear the Blue Beret, beret device.”

Although I do agree, if you’re attending a wing activity or something like that, sometimes it is best to just wear a Patrol cap.

Cadet the Blue Beret is not authorized for ABUs and CC's and activity directors have the final say on uniforns for their AOR.
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Airplane girl
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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2018, 01:14:06 PM »

I’m aware that it is not authorized in ABUs, I just wanted to make it clear that it’s not necessary to have a wing supplement to wear the blue beret with BDUs at Squadron meetings if someone has attended NBB
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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2018, 01:52:09 PM »

Hello,
Will CAP permit wearing the Blue Beret with the ABUs after Blue Beret Encampment, or is it just during Blue Beret Encampment? The reason I ask this is because of the Uniform Change letter doesn't seem clear to me and also the USAF Security Forces wear a Navy Blue, Blue Beret very similar to the CAP Blue Beret.

V/R
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Francis DeRosa

First, congratulations on being accepted to attend NBB this year.

Next, as of right now, you may only wear the beret at NBB if you elect to wear ABUs. If you elect to wear BDUs during the transition phase you may wear the beret with that uniform outside of NBB; no further supplement/approval is required, though local commanders and activity directors can restrict its wear.

Lastly, if you do elect to wear the beret with the BDUs outside of NBB, be aware that there are many berets out there watching you and your actions. We are a tight knit family and will not tolerate those who bring discredit to the uniform or the beret (or more specifically the St. Albans Cross).

And again, congratulations; I look forward to working with you and all the other participants.
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2018, 03:08:24 PM »

Security Forces is authorized to wear berets with ABUs because berets are authorized for AD members to wear with ABUs.
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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2018, 03:19:06 PM »

Security Forces is authorized to wear berets with ABUs because berets are authorized for AD members to wear with ABUs.

And how is that pertinent to the topic?
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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2018, 03:48:55 PM »

More importantly, what about OCPs?!
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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2018, 05:05:37 PM »

More importantly, what about OCPs?!

 ;D
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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2018, 11:59:53 PM »

be aware that there are many berets out there watching you and your actions.

Am I the only one who thinks it's a bit creepy there will be a hat watching his every move?

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TheSkyHornet
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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2018, 09:30:03 PM »

Sir, I know that CAPM 39-1 is really confusingly worded when it comes to this, but people who have attended NBB are not required to have a wing supplement to wear the beret. Here is the direct quote from CAPM 39-1. A wing supplement is only required if they have not attended NBB.

“ Navy blue. May be worn by National Blue Beret graduates or by other members whenspecifically authorized by wing or region supplement or additional NHQ directive. May only be worn with the BDU or Blue Field Uniform. Position headband straight across the forehead, one inch above the eyebrows. Drape the top over the right ear and the stiffener. Adjust ribbon for comfort, tie in a knot, and tuck inside or cut-off. Appropriate flight cap device will be worn unless worn due to Blue Beret attendance, in which case the member will wear the Blue Beret, beret device.”

Although I do agree, if you’re attending a wing activity or something like that, sometimes it is best to just wear a Patrol cap.

Corrected and noted.

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Mitchell 1969
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« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2018, 10:29:26 PM »

Hello,
Will CAP permit wearing the Blue Beret with the ABUs after Blue Beret Encampment, or is it just during Blue Beret Encampment? The reason I ask this is because of the Uniform Change letter doesn't seem clear to me and also the USAF Security Forces wear a Navy Blue, Blue Beret very similar to the CAP Blue Beret.

V/R
Cadet Airman
Francis DeRosa

First, congratulations on being accepted to attend NBB this year.

Next, as of right now, you may only wear the beret at NBB if you elect to wear ABUs. If you elect to wear BDUs during the transition phase you may wear the beret with that uniform outside of NBB; no further supplement/approval is required, though local commanders and activity directors can restrict its wear.

Lastly, if you do elect to wear the beret with the BDUs outside of NBB, be aware that there are many berets out there watching you and your actions. We are a tight knit family and will not tolerate those who bring discredit to the uniform or the beret (or more specifically the St. Albans Cross).

And again, congratulations; I look forward to working with you and all the other participants.

What does this even mean?

“Berets” are head coverings, not people. And, when did wearers of said head coverings get appointed to “...watch[ing] you and your actions?”  And, what do they plan to do if they “...will not tolerate those who bring discredit...?”

They attended an activity and were given permission to wear a hat. They weren’t appointed to some mystical order of Illuminati and empowered to protect “the sacred hat.”

Geez. Cult much?


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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2018, 08:06:50 AM »


They attended an activity and were given permission to wear a hat. They weren’t appointed to some mystical order of Illuminati and empowered to protect “the sacred hat.”


A silly French hat.  (Fixed that for you.)

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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2018, 10:26:13 PM »

Hello,
Will CAP permit wearing the Blue Beret with the ABUs after Blue Beret Encampment, or is it just during Blue Beret Encampment? The reason I ask this is because of the Uniform Change letter doesn't seem clear to me and also the USAF Security Forces wear a Navy Blue, Blue Beret very similar to the CAP Blue Beret.

V/R
Cadet Airman
Francis DeRosa

First, congratulations on being accepted to attend NBB this year.

Next, as of right now, you may only wear the beret at NBB if you elect to wear ABUs. If you elect to wear BDUs during the transition phase you may wear the beret with that uniform outside of NBB; no further supplement/approval is required, though local commanders and activity directors can restrict its wear.

Lastly, if you do elect to wear the beret with the BDUs outside of NBB, be aware that there are many berets out there watching you and your actions. We are a tight knit family and will not tolerate those who bring discredit to the uniform or the beret (or more specifically the St. Albans Cross).

And again, congratulations; I look forward to working with you and all the other participants.

What does this even mean?

“Berets” are head coverings, not people. And, when did wearers of said head coverings get appointed to “...watch[ing] you and your actions?”  And, what do they plan to do if they “...will not tolerate those who bring discredit...?”

They attended an activity and were given permission to wear a hat. They weren’t appointed to some mystical order of Illuminati and empowered to protect “the sacred hat.”

Geez. Cult much?


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Geez, sir.

"Beret" is a simple term to refer to a cadet that graduated from National Blue Beret. Efficiency in communication is a key leadership skill.

And all Cadets and Officers that attend do join the Order of St. Alban, a society of people that have attended the Activity and adhere to a set of values augmenting those of CAP.

Yes, there is plenty of kool-aid dispensed, but come on, please lighten up. This is CAP, not the actual military.
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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2018, 11:02:34 PM »

Hello,
Will CAP permit wearing the Blue Beret with the ABUs after Blue Beret Encampment, or is it just during Blue Beret Encampment? The reason I ask this is because of the Uniform Change letter doesn't seem clear to me and also the USAF Security Forces wear a Navy Blue, Blue Beret very similar to the CAP Blue Beret.

V/R
Cadet Airman
Francis DeRosa

First, congratulations on being accepted to attend NBB this year.

Next, as of right now, you may only wear the beret at NBB if you elect to wear ABUs. If you elect to wear BDUs during the transition phase you may wear the beret with that uniform outside of NBB; no further supplement/approval is required, though local commanders and activity directors can restrict its wear.

Lastly, if you do elect to wear the beret with the BDUs outside of NBB, be aware that there are many berets out there watching you and your actions. We are a tight knit family and will not tolerate those who bring discredit to the uniform or the beret (or more specifically the St. Albans Cross).

And again, congratulations; I look forward to working with you and all the other participants.

What does this even mean?

“Berets” are head coverings, not people. And, when did wearers of said head coverings get appointed to “...watch[ing] you and your actions?”  And, what do they plan to do if they “...will not tolerate those who bring discredit...?”

They attended an activity and were given permission to wear a hat. They weren’t appointed to some mystical order of Illuminati and empowered to protect “the sacred hat.”

Geez. Cult much?


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Geez, sir.

"Beret" is a simple term to refer to a cadet that graduated from National Blue Beret. Efficiency in communication is a key leadership skill.
So is clarity in communication, which is far more important than efficiency.

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And all Cadets and Officers that attend do join the Order of St. Alban, a society of people that have attended the Activity and adhere to a set of values augmenting those of CAP.
And this is why many of us have a not-so-high opinion of NBB graduates. You claim to be special, and in many cases, cause issues with your French hat.

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Yes, there is plenty of kool-aid dispensed, but come on, please lighten up. This is CAP, not the actual military.
Quit drinking the kool-aid.
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Mitchell 1969
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« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2018, 12:53:26 AM »

Hello,
Will CAP permit wearing the Blue Beret with the ABUs after Blue Beret Encampment, or is it just during Blue Beret Encampment? The reason I ask this is because of the Uniform Change letter doesn't seem clear to me and also the USAF Security Forces wear a Navy Blue, Blue Beret very similar to the CAP Blue Beret.

V/R
Cadet Airman
Francis DeRosa

First, congratulations on being accepted to attend NBB this year.

Next, as of right now, you may only wear the beret at NBB if you elect to wear ABUs. If you elect to wear BDUs during the transition phase you may wear the beret with that uniform outside of NBB; no further supplement/approval is required, though local commanders and activity directors can restrict its wear.

Lastly, if you do elect to wear the beret with the BDUs outside of NBB, be aware that there are many berets out there watching you and your actions. We are a tight knit family and will not tolerate those who bring discredit to the uniform or the beret (or more specifically the St. Albans Cross).

And again, congratulations; I look forward to working with you and all the other participants.

What does this even mean?

“Berets” are head coverings, not people. And, when did wearers of said head coverings get appointed to “...watch[ing] you and your actions?”  And, what do they plan to do if they “...will not tolerate those who bring discredit...?”

They attended an activity and were given permission to wear a hat. They weren’t appointed to some mystical order of Illuminati and empowered to protect “the sacred hat.”

Geez. Cult much?


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Geez, sir.

"Beret" is a simple term to refer to a cadet that graduated from National Blue Beret. Efficiency in communication is a key leadership skill.

And all Cadets and Officers that attend do join the Order of St. Alban, a society of people that have attended the Activity and adhere to a set of values augmenting those of CAP.

Yes, there is plenty of kool-aid dispensed, but come on, please lighten up. This is CAP, not the actual military.

You’re helping me make my points. Thank you.

If “Beret is a simple term used to refer to a cadet that graduated from National Blue Beret” (Which, as stated in the title is “National,” then can you refer me to the CAPM, CAPR, CAPP or letter, memo, sticky note or gum wrapper that actually says that? Wouldn’t “Energy in communications...” being such a “...key leadership skill” demand such a thing in order to make such designation universally understood within the organization?

Same questions and comments go toward the “Society of St. Alban,” which sounds like a made-up thing with no official reference to purpose, need or even its very existence, other than to separate beanie wearers from the rest of CAP. 




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« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2018, 12:54:51 PM »

be aware that there are many berets out there watching you and your actions.

Am I the only one who thinks it's a bit creepy there will be a hat watching his every move?



"That's just funny right there, I don't care who you are."


“Berets” are head coverings

True; beret is also a term used to describe those who have earned or wear a beret. This is not unique to CAP or NBB.

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And, when did wearers of said head coverings get appointed to “...watch[ing] you and your actions?”

It is the responsibility of every CAP member to enforce the standards of the organization, which requires keeping a watchful eye. NCSA participants are not relieved of this duty.

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And, what do they plan to do if they “...will not tolerate those who bring discredit...?”

Both cadets and seniors have had activity credit revoked and their beret and St Albans pin taken away both at the activity and after it.

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They attended an activity and were given permission to wear a hat. They weren’t appointed to some mystical order of Illuminati and empowered to protect “the sacred hat.”

No one is protecting the hat. As we teach cadets and seniors who attend; the person makes the hat, the hat does not make the person.

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Geez. Cult much?

Geez. Jealous much?

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TheSkyHornet
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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2018, 01:08:09 PM »

Guys, this is a measuring contest over aircraft parking...

Take a breather.

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