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Turtle1
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« on: November 30, 2017, 11:20:00 AM »

Good Morning several members of our squadron have purchased the black fleece. After repeated washing and drying the jacket is still leaving black lint over everything. Did anyone else experience this problem?
Thank you.
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Marybeth Williams
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2017, 11:39:41 AM »

Yes. It is much like house breaking a pet:

"Bad fleece! BAAAAAD fleece! Back in the wash for you".

The thing that really sucks is when your spouse drives the car after you and gets out with black fleece droppings in a vertical bar down their white shirt (and doesn't notice until after their amused coworkers). You'll hear about it for days. The seat belt is a major fleece remover.


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CS
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2017, 12:30:34 PM »

Yes, The Rothco Fleece is crap and no amount of washing will ever stop the shedding.  Need to find a a good Polar Black Fleece if you don't want to be embarrassed.
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chuckmilam
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2017, 03:22:56 PM »

Along the same lines, I had my knit dark blue polo go through the wash with some soft baby clothes.  I'll likely never get the fine white lint off it. 

So far, I haven't had too much trouble with the black fleece, but I've been babying it so it doesn't have to be washed too often.  It helps that I'm a Wisconsin-grown boy now living in Kentucky, so I pretty much wear short sleeves year-round. 
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hamburgee
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2017, 05:32:37 PM »

I bought a Rothco fleece (only because it was the only thing I could afford, it's also super soft) and I haven't had this problem. I have, however, had problems with holes opening along the seams.
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Phillip
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2017, 06:36:57 PM »

I turn my Vanguard fleece inside out when washing.  It helps with the shedding, but it's only resulted in about a 50% reduction.
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Turtle1
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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2017, 04:44:01 PM »

Thank you for all your replies. Problem solved Vanguard sent me a return packing slip and will issue a refund. So far they do not have a replacement vendor for a new jacket. Vanguard did acknowledge that this is a known problem with the jacket.
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Marybeth Williams
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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2017, 03:10:35 AM »

I have two civilian black fleece jackets - one from Weatherproof Garment Company, and the other from Port Authority. Neither of them have any shedding problems.
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« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2017, 12:43:12 PM »

The Black Fleece I was issued by the Air Force was made by Peckham.
100% Polyester Synthetic Fleece.
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CAPSOC_0pur8ur
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2017, 11:31:08 PM »

So if a fleece is 'Small R', is it made to fit over 'Small R' ABU's, or is it sized like a 'Small R' ABU blouse? Basically, if I wear a 'Small R' ABU blouse, should I get a 'Small R' fleece, or a 'Med R' fleece?
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Turtle1
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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2017, 01:43:14 PM »

I would go with the medium, especially if you order the fleece from VG.
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Marybeth Williams
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« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2018, 06:39:29 AM »

I wear a foliage Green Rothco and never had shedding problems.
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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2018, 05:34:19 PM »

So if a fleece is 'Small R', is it made to fit over 'Small R' ABU's, or is it sized like a 'Small R' ABU blouse? Basically, if I wear a 'Small R' ABU blouse, should I get a 'Small R' fleece, or a 'Med R' fleece?

Negative.
It is not made to be worn that way, we're wearing it in a manner for which it was not designed.
The lighter-weight fleece was never meant to be worn over the ACU/ABU.
ECWS is a nested system of layers, cotton BDU/ABU isn't designed to be in the mix.
An oversized Polartec 300-weight Series ECWCS Cold Weather Fleece Jacket can be worn nicely over the ABU/ACU.
The lighter-weight one, not so much. Arm holes are smaller, etc.
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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2018, 01:09:31 PM »

So if a fleece is 'Small R', is it made to fit over 'Small R' ABU's, or is it sized like a 'Small R' ABU blouse? Basically, if I wear a 'Small R' ABU blouse, should I get a 'Small R' fleece, or a 'Med R' fleece?

Negative.
It is not made to be worn that way, we're wearing it in a manner for which it was not designed.
The lighter-weight fleece was never meant to be worn over the ACU/ABU.
ECWS is a nested system of layers, cotton BDU/ABU isn't designed to be in the mix.
An oversized Polartec 300-weight Series ECWCS Cold Weather Fleece Jacket can be worn nicely over the ABU/ACU.
The lighter-weight one, not so much. Arm holes are smaller, etc.

Uh, standard wear in the AF/Army is wearing the fleece over the blouse. I wear a medium/X-long fleece over chest size 36 ABUs for reference.
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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2018, 04:13:05 PM »

So if a fleece is 'Small R', is it made to fit over 'Small R' ABU's, or is it sized like a 'Small R' ABU blouse? Basically, if I wear a 'Small R' ABU blouse, should I get a 'Small R' fleece, or a 'Med R' fleece?

Negative.
It is not made to be worn that way, we're wearing it in a manner for which it was not designed.
The lighter-weight fleece was never meant to be worn over the ACU/ABU.
ECWS is a nested system of layers, cotton BDU/ABU isn't designed to be in the mix.
An oversized Polartec 300-weight Series ECWCS Cold Weather Fleece Jacket can be worn nicely over the ABU/ACU.
The lighter-weight one, not so much. Arm holes are smaller, etc.

The fleece is most certainly made to be worn over the ABU/BDU.  That is why it has name tapes and rank.
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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2018, 06:22:03 PM »

The fleece is most certainly made to be worn over the ABU/BDU.  That is why it has name tapes and rank.

Incorrect.
That is not how ECWCS was designed (Google it).
We beta'd that stuff for PEO-Soldier in 01/02.
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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2018, 06:23:11 PM »

The fleece is most certainly made to be worn over the ABU/BDU.  That is why it has name tapes and rank.

100% incorrect.
That is not how ECWCS was designed nor how it's supposed to be used. (Google it).
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68w20
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« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2018, 07:00:53 PM »

The fleece is most certainly made to be worn over the ABU/BDU.  That is why it has name tapes and rank.

100% incorrect.
That is not how ECWCS was designed nor how it's supposed to be used. (Google it).

That may be the use for which it was designed, but the practical reality is that it isn't used that way.  AFI 36-2903 states that it will be worn only as an outer garment.  TM 10-8415-236-10 (Army TM for the ECWCS) says that it can be worn nested within other layers of the ECWCS, or as an outer garment for utility uniforms.  We may be wearing it in a manner for which it was not designed, but so are the Army and the Air Force.
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kwe1009
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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2018, 07:01:28 PM »

The fleece is most certainly made to be worn over the ABU/BDU.  That is why it has name tapes and rank.

100% incorrect.
That is not how ECWCS was designed nor how it's supposed to be used. (Google it).

Can you provide a CAP or USAF reference to back up your statement? 

The fleece is listed as an outer garment in CAPM 39-1, AFI 36-2903, and the CAP ABU Wear Guidance memo.  I am also a SNCO in the Air Force and have never seen anyone wear the fleece under their ABU shirt.  It doesn't make sense that it goes under the ABU since it has rank and name on it.  No undergarment has mandated rank and name on it.

So is the former AF Chief of Staff wearing it wrong in this picture:
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abdsp51
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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2018, 07:47:26 PM »

Both the AFI and CAPR says it's an outer-garment.  What is/was done in other branches is a moot point and irrelevant.
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