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Quote from: audiododd on March 08, 2017, 04:22:33 amFrom CAPR 20-1...D.14.c. The wing commander appoints group, squadron, and flight commanders. From CAPR 35-5.... 3.2. Commander Appointments. Members who meet the minimum eligibility requirements above may be advanced to a grade commensurate with the position, not to exceed those indicated below: 3.2.4. Squadron Commander. Wing commanders may advance a member to the grade of first lieutenant concurrent with the member's appointment as squadron commander. 6.4 NCO Transition to Officer Grades. NCOs accepting commander appointments will be eligible to transition to the officer grade commensurate with the commander position as outlined in paragraph 3.2., without meeting a Promotion Board. Upon completion of the command assignment, the member may return to their previous NCO status upon request, without meeting a promotion board. Time-in-grade served in the officer position may be used toward future NCO advancements.A few notes from my reading....it says that Wing Commanders MAY advance a member to 1st Lt with their appointment. It doesn't say they WILL. It also says that NCO's will be eligible to transition to the officer grade, not that they must. It's the typical vagueness of regulations.To ME...that reads that NCO's CAN be appointed as a Squadron Commander and that they MAY be promoted to 1st Lt for the duration of their command (but don't HAVE to be promoted). It also looks like an NCO that assumes command doesn't necessarily have to go back to their NCO grade when they complete their tenure. That's just my quick skimming of the regulations.
Quote from: foo on March 08, 2017, 03:54:51 pmStriped cadets are routinely put into command positions, so why should the standard be any different for seniors? As someone once justified it to me, "Do you think they can't do the job?"
Quote from: Spaceman3750 on March 08, 2017, 04:02:15 pmQuote from: foo on March 08, 2017, 03:54:51 pmStriped cadets are routinely put into command positions, so why should the standard be any different for seniors? As someone once justified it to me, "Do you think they can't do the job?"Cadet enlisted aren't supposed to be put into "command" positions, but we do it anyways. Not even close to a good comparison.
QuoteTailoring the Challenge This principle of tying leadership skill, rank, and position together is all about providing a tailor-made leadership challenge for each cadet. However, this may result in the squadron needing to keep some staff positions vacant. For example, if the ranking cadet is an airman, their position still should be limited to element leader because we want to match them with a job that is appropriate for their leadership skill and rank - it would be premature to appoint that cadet as cadet commander. If the ranking cadet is a master sergeant, that cadet could serve as flight sergeant or first sergeant, but higher positions like flight commander and cadet commander should remain vacant. By assigning cadets to positions that match their rank and skill, we ensure each cadet has a leadership challenge that is appropriate. Further, by keeping high positions vacant until cadets achieve rank commensurate with the positions, we give the ranking cadet(s) additional challenges to strive towards and a reason to pursue promotions. As the cadets advance in CAP and mature as leaders, they can gradually be promoted into higher positions on the cadet staff.
Quote from: foo on March 08, 2017, 04:32:41 pmQuote from: Spaceman3750 on March 08, 2017, 04:02:15 pmQuote from: foo on March 08, 2017, 03:54:51 pmStriped cadets are routinely put into command positions, so why should the standard be any different for seniors? As someone once justified it to me, "Do you think they can't do the job?"Cadet enlisted aren't supposed to be put into "command" positions, but we do it anyways. Not even close to a good comparison.Senior enlisted aren't supposed to be put into command positions, but we do it anyway. All because mushy language in the regs allows it. It's pretty much the same thing.
Quote from: PHall on March 08, 2017, 01:12:17 amI think everybody thought that NCO's could not be Commanders. But the regs never said that.
Quote from: RogueLeader on March 08, 2017, 09:47:44 pmQuote from: PHall on March 08, 2017, 01:12:17 amI think everybody thought that NCO's could not be Commanders. But the regs never said that.Yes, the Regs did. Now they don't.
QuoteMEMORANDUM FOR ALL CAP UNIT COMMANDERS:FROM: CAP/CC and CAP/COMMAND CHIEF SUBJECT: Senior Member Noncommissioned Officer Recruiting Drive1. The Civil Air Patrol's NonCommissioned Officer (NCO) Program is off and running and we are looking for interested members to join the ranks of the NCO Corps. The CAP NCO Corps is a diverse group of individuals, each bringing unique professional knowledge, skills, and abilities they have attained in their years of military service to our country. They are well suited to mentor CAP's members in the methods and procedures of military organization, leadership and management. The CAP NCO Program is also designed to provide commanders with greater access to the professional military knowledge that the NCO Corps can readily provide.2. Do you have members in your unit who now hold a CAP Officer grade but previously held an NCO grade in the Armed Forces? If so, this is a chance for those individuals to transition to the NCO Corps and possibly serve in a grade higher than their previous military NCO grade. During the period 1 March 2017 through 28 February 2018, the National Commander has authorized senior members who now hold officer grades to transition to an NCO grade that is commensurate with their CAP experience as well as their military experience. The chart below outlines what grade current CAP officers who held military NCO grades would be able to transition to during this recruiting period. These individuals are not required to meet promotion boards but must submit a CAP Form 2 through channels to receive the appropriate NCO grade...
Quote from: Ozzy on March 10, 2017, 07:41:42 pmThanks... I'm a little curious because I'm a SSgt now and I used to be a 1LT with about a year TIG... depending on the memo, perhaps I can get TSgt and be close to getting MSgt.
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