New 900-2

[kd8gua]

Does anyone know the reasoning behind the addition of the pseudo Triangle Thingy in the 900-2? They have removed a very nice, historic emblem and changed it with... that.

Basic rundown: CAP emblem (blue Civil Defense circle with prop inside white triangle) is now no longer authorized in any way, shape, or form. Most uses have been replaced by a logo which is just the prop and triangle, with Civil Air Patrol spelled out in a "Cornerstone" typesetting. POVs using the old emblem are now authorized the MAJCOM shield emblem.

I thought the round emblem was quite smart and recognizable, guess I must have been in the minority.

[vento]

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I thought the round emblem was quite smart and recognizable, guess I must have been in the minority.

+1 I am with you and therefore I must have been in the minority too.

I can only hope that it was not removed because it contained the words "USAF Auxiliary", anything with that wording is slowly disappearing from our images, one piece at the time.

[Texas Raiders]

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I thought the round emblem was quite smart and recognizable, guess I must have been in the minority.

+1 I am with you and therefore I must have been in the minority too.

I can only hope that it was not removed because it contained the words "USAF Auxiliary", anything with that wording is slowly disappearing from our images, one piece at the time.

That's an interesting idea that you point out.  I've only been back with CAP for a little while now and I've been extremely busy reaquainting myself with the organization.  This has included reading A LOT of policy and procedures.  From what I have gathered so far, it seems as though CAP is only the auxiliary of the Air Force during AFAMs and/or whenever the USAF want us to be.  Otherwise, CAP is just a federally chartered, non-profit, paramilitary, volunteer organization (and a very nice one at that ).  Then again, I could be way off.  Anyway, we still have the official CAP seal.

[Luis R. Ramos]

I only hope that what others have said about those at the higher echelons are reading this board.

That change is the most asinine that can be made. Most people posting here are against "the triangle thingy." I guess someone at the higher echelons prefer to do things their members do not like, as the Corporate Uniform.

Flyer

[PHall]

I only hope that what others have said about those at the higher echelons are reading this board.

That change is the most asinine that can be made. Most people posting here are against "the triangle thingy." I guess someone at the higher echelons prefer to do things their members do not like, as the Corporate Uniform.

Flyer

You forget one important fact, the people posting here are a very, very small vocal minority who may or may not reflect the views of the general membership.

[Luis R. Ramos]

I guess you do like "the triangle thingy..."

[Eclipse]

Honestly, I think this is a reasonable compromise - it moves the MAJCOM to all vehicles, including POVs, which is
appropriate and looks more professional in that capacity then the other things that have been used, while it modernizes
the traditional prop and triangle without moving it too far away from the original.

Those who understand the historical significance of the original roundel may prefer it, but the challenge is that
most people won't understand that significance until after they are members. The updated logo is much more
akin to current design thinking, which is streamlined with a limited color palette.

While 900-2 indicates a preference for the triangle, it also fully allows for the subjective use of the MAJCOM
based on audience acceptance. So those who deal with the military and ES agencies will likely continue to
use it without any regulatory concerns.

[PHall]

I guess you do like "the triangle thingy..."

Actually, I have no opinion either way. To me, it's a non-issue.

[lordmonar]

I guess you do like "the triangle thingy..."

Actually, I have no opinion either way. To me, it's a non-issue.

+1

[Texas Raiders]

I guess you do like "the triangle thingy..."

Actually, I have no opinion either way. To me, it's a non-issue.

+1

+1  Makes no difference to me.

[BuckeyeDEJ]

Honestly, I think this is a reasonable compromise - it moves the MAJCOM to all vehicles, including POVs, which is
appropriate and looks more professional in that capacity then the other things that have been used, while it modernizes
the traditional prop and triangle without moving it too far away from the original...
While 900-2 indicates a preference for the triangle, it also fully allows for the subjective use of the MAJCOM
based on audience acceptance. So those who deal with the military and ES agencies will likely continue to
use it without any regulatory concerns.

You might remember that it was the 11" Scotchlite seal decal that was used on corporate vehicles for ages, with a five-digit CAP number in white numbers underneath (the first two being the wing's number in alphabetical order). To me, the seal was the best representation, but times have changed.

We also used a larger seal decal on the tails of our aircraft. Our livery's much nicer now, though I guess if I were to change anything, it would be to add tail markings that reflect at least the region the plane's attached to, with the MAJCOM emblem at the top.

All said, the 900-2 is a welcome update. The new logo may not be quite to your liking, but it definitely works better than the previous "triangle thingy." More to come on the marketing front, I'm sure, to reinforce its use and help carry the "brand" message forward.

[RiverAux]

The seals were absolutely horrible from a public affairs point of view.  They are very generic, too complex for easy reading, and not very eye-catching. 

One of the best decisions CAP has made in years was to dump the seal from everyday use on uniforms, vehicles, and planes. 

[BuckeyeDEJ]

They may have been a little difficult to read at a glance, granted, but they had the official air to them that gave our members stronger credibility when they rolled onto an emergency situation. It didn't hurt that at the time, most of our vehicles were Air Force blue, some with white tops, and included vehicles like school buses and pickup trucks.

Oh, and in those days, "CIVIL AIR PATROL" was atop the seal, in Goudy Old Style bold. Can't miss that on first glance.

[peter rabbit]

has anyone seen or have a downloadable copy of the logo?

[vento]

has anyone seen or have a downloadable copy of the logo?

Can't find the new Triangle logo in any official pages yet. There are a few on the internet if you Google.
For everything else, the official sites are:
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/cap_national_hq/public_affairs/cap_pao_toolkit/seals-emblems-and-patches/
and
http://www.af.mil/art/mediagallery.asp?galleryID=5187

[Eclipse]

http://www.capvolunteernow.com/todays-features/?new_cap_logo_approved_by_national_executive_committee&show=news&newsID=13163

[sardak]

^^^^The logo displayed above doesn't match the one on the screen in the picture. That one matches the "official" version reached by following the link in 900-2: http://www.flickr.com/photos/civilairpatrol/7189667303/#in/set-72157630134037440
Which is what happens when the design guidelines only provide the colors and not the typeface/font to be used, causing the whole point of having a standard design to be lost.

Can't find the new Triangle logo in any official pages yet.

The link in CAPR 900-2 takes you to it.

Mike

[Eclipse]

I noticed the improper scaling caused by the exchanges TV, but not the bad font.  That's direct from the CAP Twitter page.

Here's a shot direct from 900-2:

[High Speed Low Drag]

I hate they did away with the Hap Arnold symbol.  That was a great link to "Ma Blue."  Cadets loved it.

[Pylon]

I hate they did away with the Hap Arnold symbol.  That was a great link to "Ma Blue."  Cadets loved it.

I actually wish we could do away with everything except two:  A logo/emblem and an official corporate seal.  A guy can have dreams, can't he?   

Also, besides the fact that there's already several noticeably different versions of new triangle thingy out there -- what about the other triangle thingy with the words around the triangle?  Is that still being used by NHQ?  I still see it places.  What's the deal with that one?  Can we now infer that one should never be used again, too?