Should we or should we not add this to are cadet oath?

[red_sox_fan]

In the last line of the cadet oath it says to "Rapidly prepare myself to be of service to my community, state, and nation." I think we should add god in there. so it will sound like this. "Rapidly prepare myself to be of service to my god, community, state, and nation." notice i bolded "my god". So its not sack religious to other religions. What do you think?

[davidsinn]

In the last line of the cadet oath it says to "Rapidly prepare myself to be of service to my community, state, and nation." I think we should add god in there. so it will sound like this. "Rapidly prepare myself to be of service to my god, community, state, and nation." notice i bolded "my god". So its not sack religious to other religions. What do you think?

Very bad idea. It is not CAP's role to prepare anyone to be of service to any god. If you want that training, go to a religious group of your choice.

[Eclipse]

What do you think?

I think you need to focus your attention elsewhere then this forum, at least until you better understand the fundamentals of CAP.

[HGjunkie]

No.

One, CAP is not religious in nature. Two, forcing cadet members who:

A) Practice religions where their deity figure is not a "god" or don't have a god at all, and
B) Are non-religious to start with

to pledge an oath which demands service to the "god" is not only defeating the point of CAP having defined missions, but sends a message that we are a religiously charged group that forces our volunteer youth to equip themselves for service to a deity rather than the actual goal of service to community, state and nation.

I find it awkward enough saying it in the Honor Guard Creed (I don't mind the Bearers Creed because of the implementation).

[Майор Хаткевич]

In the last line of the cadet oath it says to "Rapidly prepare myself to be of service to my community, state, and nation." I think we should add god in there. so it will sound like this. "Rapidly prepare myself to be of service to my god, community, state, and nation." notice i bolded "my god". So its not sack religious to other religions. What do you think?

I don't have a god. Who am I being prepared to serve then?

Also, please LEARN the oath first:

"I pledge to serve faithfully in the Civil Air Patrol Cadet Program and that I will attend meetings regularly, participate actively in unit activities, obey my officers, wear my uniform properly and advance my education and training rapidly to prepare myself to be of service to my community, state and nation."

[red_sox_fan]

I understand what you are saying. On the other hand, the line would say my god. Which shows that your not serving just the god of the christians. If you are muslim then you are worshiping the god of the muslims, or whatever religion you are your serving your god.

[Eclipse]

On the other hand, the line would say my god.

Not.

Everyone.

Has.

One.

[red_sox_fan]

In the last line of the cadet oath it says to "Rapidly prepare myself to be of service to my community, state, and nation." I think we should add god in there. so it will sound like this. "Rapidly prepare myself to be of service to my god, community, state, and nation." notice i bolded "my god". So its not sack religious to other religions. What do you think?

I don't have a god. Who am I being prepared to serve then?

Also, please LEARN the oath first:

"I pledge to serve faithfully in the Civil Air Patrol Cadet Program and that I will attend meetings regularly, participate actively in unit activities, obey my officers, wear my uniform properly and advance my education and training rapidly to prepare myself to be of service to my community, state and nation."

I do know my cadet oath. You are preparing to serve no god. Hard to explain it would be easier to explain if we were face to face.

[Майор Хаткевич]

You said "Rapidly prepare myself to be of service to my community, state, and nation."

Oath says: "advance my education and training rapidly" (this is one message) and " to prepare myself to be of service to my community, state and nation." (second message).

The meaning between how you wrote it is quite different from the actual thing.

But again, if I'm a preparing to serve no god, then I don't need to say "my god" either. In fact, Jews don't even like to say/write out the word G-d. Others are PRIVATE in their religious beliefs, and I don't say "under god" for the Pledge of Allegiance. Research the history of WHY these things were added to our money and oaths, and then think about it.

[lordmonar]

In the last line of the cadet oath it says to "Rapidly prepare myself to be of service to my community, state, and nation." I think we should add god in there. so it will sound like this. "Rapidly prepare myself to be of service to my god, community, state, and nation." notice i bolded "my god". So its not sack religious to other religions. What do you think?

What do I really think?  Not no....but HELL NO!
a) It implies that there is a god....and therefore excludes all athiests and polythiests.
b) It violate the CAP's non-discrimantion policy.
c) It is NOT what the Cadet Program is doing.  I as a CP officer know what skills it takes for you to be prepared to be of service to your community, station and nation....you need to talk to your preacher to find out what your god demands of you.

[HGjunkie]

Tick-Tock.

Where's the mod lock?

[Eclipse]

I do know my cadet oath. You are preparing to serve no god. Hard to explain it would be easier to explain if we were face to face.

CAP is specifically a secular organization which is intended to allow for opportunities to serve a member's community and train young people in
the ways of leadership and good citizenship.

Its mission does not include religious training or affiliation.

[abdsp51]

For one adding my god would be perceived that we are endorsing religion and having a preference to single entity religions.  While in some aspects we are a private entity in regards to the corporate side of the organization the bulk of our funding comes from USAF who are not allowed to discriminate against a individual for their religious beliefs. 

There are enough annotations in the DoD referring to a supreme being of any organized faith though the common reference is God.  There should be no religious connotation to the cadet oath at all,  this is a can of worms that does not need to be opened.

While there are many references to God in many aspects of God and especially the DoD, it does not need to be added to the cadet oath, as that may be deemed highly offensive to some members, parents, and others.

Disclaimer: This is simply IMHO and does not endorse or support any type of religion or anti religion agenda. 

[Майор Хаткевич]

Shouldn't be any agenda within CAP.

I don't believe, but I respect the right of others and their beliefs. If they keep their views to themselves, I keep mine to myself.

[Flying Pig]

Why we have people already calling for locks is beyond me.  So far its a pretty decent discussion.  At least wait for the tilt before we start jjst locking threads where we might have the chance to educate a cadet.  I am seeing religious and non-religious members actually agreeing on the topic.

When I was in the Marines it was, and still is "God, Corps and Country."  When I was in boot camp you had to attend church on Sundays in boot camp.  You were told to sign up for which ever service you wanted to attend.  it was taught that believing in a higher power was one of the reasons Marines were successful.  Now, to say the Marines is a religious organization?      No, Im not that bold. 
One recruit blurted out "Sir this recruit doesn't have a religion"  He was barked back with "You have about 10 seconds to find one."  We had prayer leaders assigned to each religion represented.  At the end of the day, we had various religions that would separate into groups for about 10 minutes.  Mormons, a couple of Jewish guy, Christians, etc.  But CAP isnt the Marines.  We are a volunteer civilian non-profit corporation.  We also had many who didnt participate.  They actually called it "devotional time".  I cant speak for the other services, but in the Marines, "God" actually is a big part in the ethos of the Marine Corps.  However I knew several Marines who were atheists who did just fine.  Nor did I ever see one disrespectful or intolerant of that part of the Corps foundations. 

I like your intent but here is my concern as a Christian.  I don't need an oath to proclaim what my priorities are.  I would rather keep it to myself that lump my "God" generically in with another religion.  Nor do I want someone who doesn't believe in God, mine or not,  to have to rattle off something that means nothing to them.   I know why I do what I do, and why I make the decisions I make.  There are plenty of organizations you can join where fundamental belief in God is a requirement for membership.

I read the current oath, and I see pledging faithfulness to God is already in there if you so chose to have that mindset when reciting it.  As a Christian stating "I will attend meetings regularly, participate actively in unit activities, obey my officers, wear my uniform properly and advance my education and training rapidly to prepare myself to be of service to my community, state and nation."   To me, and probably you, those are all things that go hand in hand with pretty much every religion. 

The thing about oaths is that they have to match the mission of the organization as a whole.  Does a Walmart employee have to pledge a belief in God?  Heck, even in the Marines there was never any "oath" that you had to specifically proclaim a belief in any God.  I would imagine though that there are some differences when it comes to Chaplains. But even then, Chaplains aren't really in CAP to preach their particular religion.  More to be neutral counselor to everyone drawing on their experiences.  Many have professional training in counseling people outside of CAP.  If you need specific guidance in CAP from a Chaplain, then you can locate one who shares your specific beliefs.   I even know atheist CAP members who treat Chaplains with the utmost respect,and who have gone to one for marital issues.    So to wrap it up.  Your intent is noted.  Just not in this venue. 

So as a Christian, my first instinct is to say "YEAH!!!!" Then after I ponder it for a second or two, its not needed I dont think, for the reasons I cited above. 

[red_sox_fan]

I see were we are all coming from. I see that some people are to "private" about there religions to admit that they belief in whoever there god is or the weather or not there going to serve that god. As stupid as that sounds to me i will respect your belief and opinion. I am personally very religious and i'm not afraid to admit that i believe in my god.

[lordmonar]

Okay....lock please.....before I give the filters a thoughal testing.

[Майор Хаткевич]

I see were we are all coming from. I see that some people are to "private" about there religions to admit that they belief in whoever there god is or the weather or not there going to serve that god. As stupid as that sounds to me i will respect your belief and opinion. I am personally very religious and i'm not afraid to admit that i believe in my god.

They are not too "private" to admit anything. They simply keep their faith closer to them and don't think the world needs to know about it. I've met a number of people who were Christians, but it was their own flavor of it, whether non-denominational, or more spiritual than organized. It's simply another flavor like Calvinism, Lutheranism, Catholicism, Greek/Russian Orthodox, Old believers,  Baptist, Mormon, Episcopalian, etc. All Christian, but all with their own specific differences and beliefs on the same subject matter.

It's great that you feel strongly about your religion, but I hope you DO keep it to yourself at CAP, as it's simply not the place (outside of a Chaplain type event) to espouse views in either direction.

[red_sox_fan]

I see were we are all coming from. I see that some people are to "private" about there religions to admit that they belief in whoever there god is or the weather or not there going to serve that god. As stupid as that sounds to me i will respect your belief and opinion. I am personally very religious and i'm not afraid to admit that i believe in my god.

They are not too "private" to admit anything. They simply keep their faith closer to them and don't think the world needs to know about it. I've met a number of people who were Christians, but it was their own flavor of it, whether non-denominational, or more spiritual than organized. It's simply another flavor like Calvinism, Lutheranism, Catholicism, Greek/Russian Orthodox, Old believers,  Baptist, Mormon, Episcopalian, etc. All Christian, but all with their own specific differences and beliefs on the same subject matter.

It's great that you feel strongly about your religion, but I hope you DO keep it to yourself at CAP, as it's simply not the place (outside of a Chaplain type event) to espouse views in either direction.

let me tell you something sir god is part of me in everything i do. The bible says you should not be afraid to admit your religion. Remind you i am speaking from a christian perspective so if you are christian and your to afraid to admit your religion then what faith in jesus do you have?

[red_sox_fan]

As part of being a christian your supposed to be able to admit your religion you don't have to go preach about it! You currently do not have to be to private about it to not admit that you believe in your beliefs.