CPPT Age Limit

[DakRadz]

Okay, so somewhere I saw that the NCAC had put through a suggestion that 17 year old cadets be allowed to complete CPPT so that no gap/difficulty would be caused by scheduling or other delaying factors which would cause the cadet to be ineligible to participate in activities.

I also saw that this had been or was being approved by the SM upper level (NB? I'm still figuring out who does what on the SM side). Does anyone have any knowledge of this, or can direct me in the right direction?

Either way, I thought this was a good PSA for everyone to know about.

Yes, I did search first. No, I am not advocating for or against this Proposal, merely inquiring about it.

[SarDragon]

Look in the Knowledge Base. I couldn't find anything anywhere else, bit do recall hearing something about it a while back.

[EMT-83]

From the CPPT page on the website:

"This training is designed for our senior members, Cadet Sponsor Members and cadets over 18 years of age. By clicking any of the links below you agree that you meet the membership and age requirements."

[DakRadz]

That's why I'm asking about the change, sir. The one that makes 17 year old cadets eligible.

I know that this has not gone into effect or into regs, but I do recall a credible site saying that this was being pushed through. I simply have been struck with a small case of CRS.

[PHall]

That's why I'm asking about the change, sir. The one that makes 17 year old cadets eligible.

I know that this has not gone into effect or into regs, but I do recall a credible site saying that this was being pushed through. I simply have been struck with a small case of CRS.

The new DRAFT version of the 52-16 has the change you're talking about. (CPPT @ 17)

It has not been approved yet.

[FlyTiger77]

I simply have been struck with a small case of CRS.

You might want to go and have that checked. Early-onset CRS (before the mid-40s) may qualify you for a direct appointment to a field-grade rank upon reaching the age of majority and becoming a senior member.

In the military, it may also obviate the need for the obligatory lobotomy upon promotion to major.

We now return this thread to its original topic....

[EMT-83]

Why worry about regulations that may or may not come into effect?

Aren't the currently valid ones enough to deal with?

[DakRadz]

That's why I'm asking about the change, sir. The one that makes 17 year old cadets eligible.

I know that this has not gone into effect or into regs, but I do recall a credible site saying that this was being pushed through. I simply have been struck with a small case of CRS.

The new DRAFT version of the 52-16 has the change you're talking about. (CPPT @ 17)

It has not been approved yet.

Ja, danke mein herr!
I believe the NCAC reference was in the Summary which accompanied the Draft version. Checking now....

7. Cadets & CPPT. 2-4c
Rationale: At NCAC request, 17 year olds become
eligible to take CPPT. This avoids unnecessarily
delaying cadet promotions between the time of a
cadet’s 18th birthday and his or her quickest
opportunity to complete CPPT.

There it is! Thanks sir.

Why worry about regulations that may or may not come into effect?

Aren’t the currently valid ones enough to deal with?

As a cadet, I have fewer that affect me, less to watch, and am able to be more selective in watching upcoming possible changes. Also, I disagree with the method of ignoring something until it's already official and decided. But that's somewhat out of my lane.

Being that I'm somewhat a fast-track cadet (1 achievement per 28 days- On two separate occasions, I've been promoted twice in a month), and I cannot be promoted until I complete CPPT, well that's somewhat concerning- I have 4 months to prepare, and if I'm not quick about completing this, or if something comes up- I'm out of luck for that much longer.

[Майор Хаткевич]

Minimum time is neither promised, required, or the best

[DakRadz]

If you mean the promotions part, I understand that completely.
At my first squadron, I really don't know how things worked- I studied what they said to, participated in what they offered. I know at some point I was promoted twice in a month while at the first. We may have been pencil-whipped somewhat, but I was also the third in line with cadet experience, so they didn't seem to mind promoting me. I really wasn't familiar with CAP at the time.

The second time (at my current squadron) I fell behind on one achievement, so I knocked the other out in proper order and timeframe, got my head back in the game.
Really just an example that I try to stay on top of my promotions so long as I and my Senior Members feel I'm ready. And since I set the example, generally that decision is based on what both my DCC and Sqd/CC both agree upon.

Really though, if I get the SDAs, staff service, promotion tests, PT scores, and approval of my superiors- I don't want my Earhart to be held up all because no one wants to finish my CPPT over Christmas break (my birthday is Dec 26).

[MSG Mac]

Since the CPPT is an online course you shouldn't have any problems with doing it on your own schedule, and reviewing it  with the Commander, PDO, or whomever is designated to sign offonit.

[EMT-83]

^ A common misconception, or perhaps misstatement.

While the CPPT material is available on-line, it is definitely not an online course. Done properly, CPPT needs at least an hour of face time between student and instructor.

[MSG Mac]

^ A common misconception, or perhaps misstatement.

While the CPPT material is available on-line, it is definitely not an online course. Done properly, CPPT needs at least an hour of face time between student and instructor.

Since the CPPT is an online course you shouldn't have any problems with doing it on your own schedule, and reviewing it  with the Commander, PDO, or whomever is designated to sign offonit.

Therefore my comment for meeting with a reviewer!

[DakRadz]

Since the CPPT is an online course you shouldn't have any problems with doing it on your own schedule, and reviewing it  with the Commander, PDO, or whomever is designated to sign offonit.

Birthday- Dec 26.
First CAP meeting after that- Anywhere from a week to two weeks due to vacations and lack of participation (It's Christmas! And New Year's! ^_^), and if I happen to be waiting on TIG... This is merely my rationale.

It's not a huge deal, and my question has been answered:
The change I asked about is in the Draft CAPR 52-16 and may or may not become reality in the near future or at all. Guess I'll have to Wait and See.

[SARDOC]

CAPR 52-10 sec 3c.

c. All cadets, within 6 months following their eighteenth birthday, must undergo the same Cadet Protection Program Training (CPPT) that senior members must complete. If a cadet promotion is due during that 6-month period, then this CPPT must be completed prior to the promotion.

Sounds like it has to be after.

[SarDragon]

Currently, that is correct. NHQ will return the Form 11 on anyone completing CPPT, who has not reached their 18th birthday. BTDT.

[JC004]

...
I'm still figuring out who does what on the SM side
...

Don't sweat that.  They aren't quite sure either.  That was part of the fuss over the elimination of the TPU.  It was even part of the fuss over the elimination of TP.

[RADIOMAN015]

CAPR 52-10 sec 3c.

c. All cadets, within 6 months following their eighteenth birthday, must undergo the same Cadet Protection Program Training (CPPT) that senior members must complete. If a cadet promotion is due during that 6-month period, then this CPPT must be completed prior to the promotion.

Sounds like it has to be after.

I think it makes it difficult for some cadets reaching the "magical" age of 18 years old, especially if there's lots of under 18 cadets in the squadron.  It is possible for any 18 year old to have a relationship with a 16 year old, and IF it goes too far, in many states it is statutory rape if there's a bitter relationship break up OR an unplanned (or maybe planned) pregnancy occurs.

I think that ANYONE over 18 but under 21 years old (maybe even a bit order to 25 or so???) in CAP whether a cadet or senior member  NEEDS VERY strong emphasis on cadet protection and situations that can occur.

CAP can only control what happens at our meetings & other CAP sponsored activities.   It's unrealistic for anyone to think that CPPT will be a cure all to prevent things from happening, cause unfortunately it will, BUT fortunately it doesn't happen that often.
RM       

[DakRadz]

Moderators and Administrators;

May I request a lock on my overly-answered topic?

Thanks,
Cadet ATT
(Anti-Triangle-Thingy)

[Short Field]

If you got your answer, then just stop reading the thread.  Why do you want to stop other members from providing their opinions?