Since by regulation the squadron is required to retain their file; now I can't seem to find the personnel regulations to look up these details however I remember somewhere where it explains how long and when to destroy or allow a member to transfer their personnel file. I also have been hearing that somehow you're allowed to remove your personnel file with a note in a new folder that you have retained your personnel file and that note has your signature, etc...
Also I have also been transferred to another "squadron" (we're calling it the ghost squadron) in theory I assume that my file is supposed to go to wing?) If someone could point me to where I can look up what I can and can't do with my own personnel file or what I must do upon being transferred to the ghost squadron?
Quote from: mynetdude on July 02, 2014, 06:26:33 PM
Since by regulation the squadron is required to retain their file; now I can't seem to find the personnel regulations to look up these details however I remember somewhere where it explains how long and when to destroy or allow a member to transfer their personnel file. I also have been hearing that somehow you're allowed to remove your personnel file with a note in a new folder that you have retained your personnel file and that note has your signature, etc...
Also I have also been transferred to another "squadron" (we're calling it the ghost squadron) in theory I assume that my file is supposed to go to wing?) If someone could point me to where I can look up what I can and can't do with my own personnel file or what I must do upon being transferred to the ghost squadron?
"Your" file is nothing of the sort. It is a file that CAP keeps on you. You can ask for a copy of everything in the file, but the original is retained by the unit, or wing when applicable. The unit or wing admin/personnel officer can put things in, but taking things out? Act of God.
Quote from: Garibaldi on July 02, 2014, 06:40:25 PM
Quote from: mynetdude on July 02, 2014, 06:26:33 PM
Since by regulation the squadron is required to retain their file; now I can't seem to find the personnel regulations to look up these details however I remember somewhere where it explains how long and when to destroy or allow a member to transfer their personnel file. I also have been hearing that somehow you're allowed to remove your personnel file with a note in a new folder that you have retained your personnel file and that note has your signature, etc...
Also I have also been transferred to another "squadron" (we're calling it the ghost squadron) in theory I assume that my file is supposed to go to wing?) If someone could point me to where I can look up what I can and can't do with my own personnel file or what I must do upon being transferred to the ghost squadron?
"Your" file is nothing of the sort. It is a file that CAP keeps on you. You can ask for a copy of everything in the file, but the original is retained by the unit, or wing when applicable. The unit or wing admin/personnel officer can put things in, but taking things out? Act of God.
The information you seek can be found in 39-2
39-2 Is your guide.
In a nutshell, when you transfer you are responsible for moving your files to the new unit, old unit should
retain a copy. It's not uncommon for one unit CC to send them direct to the new unit. In the case of 000
it's very common.
You're entitled to a copy of your records, but the authoritative copy stays with the unit.
The last unit of record is required to retain the files for 5 years after a member is terminated from CAP membership.
FYI - in most (all?) wings, members in 000 are placed in patron status and cannot participate in any activities
until they find a new unit. The 000 squadrons have no commanders, therefore no one to approve participation in
any activities, nor other routine administrative functions.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 02, 2014, 06:55:23 PM
39-2 Is your guide.
In a nutshell, when you transfer you are responsible for moving your files to the new unit, old unit should
retain a copy. It's not uncommon for one unit CC to send them direct to the new unit. In the case of 000
it's very common.
You're entitled to a copy of your records, but the authoritative copy stays with the unit.
The last unit of record is required to retain the files for 5 years after a member is terminated from CAP membership.
FYI - in most (all?) wings, members in 000 are placed in patron status and cannot participate in any activities
until they find a new unit. The 000 squadrons have no commanders, therefore no one to approve participation in
any activities, nor other routine administrative functions.
wasn't sure about the patron status since you can't get patron membership rather than having to pay the full amount for senior member; so good to know and thanks. That being said I assume I can't go to any squadron meetings unless it is for the intent to transfer correct?
Quote from: mynetdude on July 02, 2014, 07:47:02 PM
wasn't sure about the patron status since you can't get patron membership rather than having to pay the full amount for senior member; so good to know and thanks. That being said I assume I can't go to any squadron meetings unless it is for the intent to transfer correct?
Not even for that, unless you're invited in advance.
Also Check CAPR 10-2. it might help with the retention question.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 02, 2014, 06:55:23 PM
The last unit of record is required to retain the files for 5 years after a member is terminated from CAP membership.
Just a Technicality. I only need to maintain the member record for Five Years after the membership expires, terminates or Transfers.
I don't have to maintain a record for a member that transferred to Michigan 25 years ago because they have maintained their CAP membership. Just an example.
If they transfer you don't need to maintain a copy at all, the retention requirement
is for +5 after the last unit of record.
The "make a copy" is a "should", not a will.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 03, 2014, 02:33:44 AM
If they transfer you don't need to maintain a copy at all, the retention requirement
is for +5 after the last unit of record.
The "make a copy" is a "should", not a will.
Member X leaves your unit and transfers......back in the day...the only way you knew that happened when he fell off your membership roster.
If you did not get a letter from someone saying "please send me his records" you move them to the inactive file and retained for 5 years.
That language has not changed. If the member has not asked to hand carry his records and no one asks for them....it is not the personnel officer's job to hunt him down.
Quote from: lordmonar on July 03, 2014, 02:37:49 AMIf you did not get a letter from someone saying "please send me his records" you move them to the inactive file and retained for 5 years.
That language has not changed. If the member has not asked to hand carry his records and no one asks for them....it is not the personnel officer's job to hunt him down.
Why would you retain the records of someone you know has been transferred?
The right way to do it is to hand the member his file and say "good luck", I personally prefer handing them
to the staff of the receiving unit with some sort of acknowledgement, but I'm sure not going to hang onto
records from someone I know isn't my responsibility anymore.
These days it should just be an email of a large .PDF anyway. KILL THE PAPER!
Frankly, there's so little that actually needs to be in a member's folder these days, even pilots, you have to wonder
how long until NHQ builds an online 45 and we trash the local file cabinets. When I took over my first
unit, there were personnel files that were inches thick - mostly CAP-irrelevant information accomplishments
no one but the member cared about. Those were returned with the polite explanation that
"CAP didn't care that you have chaired the FBO's holiday luncheon for 20 years straight..." etc.
Like I said....if the member did not pre coordinate his transfer......of if you said "send us the address of your new unit when you get there"....but that never happened. There you are....you got the records but what to do with them? You transfer them to inactive and hold for 5 years.
Yes...kill the paper.
Today....EVERYTHING that you would want to or need to keep in your personnel file should be in E-Services.
Kill the paper.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 02, 2014, 08:14:59 PM
Quote from: mynetdude on July 02, 2014, 07:47:02 PM
wasn't sure about the patron status since you can't get patron membership rather than having to pay the full amount for senior member; so good to know and thanks. That being said I assume I can't go to any squadron meetings unless it is for the intent to transfer correct?
Not even for that, unless you're invited in advance.
I don't find it that clear in the Regulation. They can't attend CAP Activities (which I believe would include regular meetings) but they can attend Wing, Region, National Conferences and even use CAP Corporate Ground Transportation.
I would think that the Spirit of the rule is that they could attend the meeting especially considering that
Quote from: Members may attend any unit meeting for the purpose of completing the monthly safety education requirement;
and that could be construed as a meeting the requirement set forth in
Quote from: CAPR 39-2Reserve/patron members may: (snipped for brevity) h. Transfer to active member status upon meeting active member qualifications.
You'd think these regulations were written by a bunch of Lawyers :)
Quote from: Eclipse on July 03, 2014, 02:43:42 AM
Quote from: lordmonar on July 03, 2014, 02:37:49 AMIf you did not get a letter from someone saying "please send me his records" you move them to the inactive file and retained for 5 years.
That language has not changed. If the member has not asked to hand carry his records and no one asks for them....it is not the personnel officer's job to hunt him down.
Why would you retain the records of someone you know has been transferred?
The right way to do it is to hand the member his file and say "good luck", I personally prefer handing them
to the staff of the receiving unit with some sort of acknowledgement, but I'm sure not going to hang onto
records from someone I know isn't my responsibility anymore.
These days it should just be an email of a large .PDF anyway. KILL THE PAPER!
Frankly, there's so little that actually needs to be in a member's folder these days, even pilots, you have to wonder
how long until NHQ builds an online 45 and we trash the local file cabinets. When I took over my first
unit, there were personnel files that were inches thick - mostly CAP-irrelevant information accomplishments
no one but the member cared about. Those were returned with the polite explanation that
"CAP didn't care that you have chaired the FBO's holiday luncheon for 20 years straight..." etc.
That is a good way to lose files if there isn't enough redundancy
Quote from: mynetdude on July 03, 2014, 02:48:33 AM
That is a good way to lose files if there isn't enough redundancy
As Lord says, there's actually nothing in the files anyone needs. It's all just a waste of time to
be keeping that stuff lying around.
Once you're a member, anything of consequence is processed and tracked in eServices. Yes, people
from Ye Olde' Squadron with prolonged absences from CAP have had issues in the past, however
in a lot of those cases, when you look into things, you find the whole of their record keeping was
hap-hazard. I've even had a few where someone purported to be one grade, and it turns out they
were pinned and never promoted.
It would be nice if all decs and awards were tracked, even in a flat file somewhere.
Quote from: SARDOC on July 03, 2014, 02:48:30 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 02, 2014, 08:14:59 PM
Quote from: mynetdude on July 02, 2014, 07:47:02 PM
wasn't sure about the patron status since you can't get patron membership rather than having to pay the full amount for senior member; so good to know and thanks. That being said I assume I can't go to any squadron meetings unless it is for the intent to transfer correct?
Not even for that, unless you're invited in advance.
I don't find it that clear in the Regulation. They can't attend CAP Activities (which I believe would include regular meetings) but they can attend Wing, Region, National Conferences and even use CAP Corporate Ground Transportation.
I would think that the Spirit of the rule is that they could attend the meeting especially considering that
Quote from: Members may attend any unit meeting for the purpose of completing the monthly safety education requirement;
and that could be construed as a meeting the requirement set forth in
Quote from: CAPR 39-2Reserve/patron members may: (snipped for brevity) h. Transfer to active member status upon meeting active member qualifications.
You'd think these regulations were written by a bunch of Lawyers :)
b. Reserve/Patron Member. A reserve/patron member is a financial supporter who
maintains current membership through payment of annual membership dues and participates in a
limited capacity as outlined below. Such members may be assigned to a local unit or at the National
level.
(1) Reserve/patron members may:
(a) Receive a specially annotated membership card.
(b) Receive the Volunteer magazine.
(c) Receive discounts associated with senior membership (car rental, etc.).
(d) Retain the last grade held prior to entering reserve/patron status.
(e) Attend wing and region conferences and the CAP Annual Conference sponsored
by National Headquarters.
(f) Attend special unit social events upon invitation by the commander concerned,
such as anniversary celebrations, awards banquets, holiday parties, etc.
(g) Use Civil Air Patrol ground transportation, but use of Civil Air Patrol air
transportation is prohibited.
(h) Transfer to active member status upon meeting active member qualifications.
(See paragraph 3 below.)
(2) Reserve/patron members may not:
(a) Wear the CAP uniform.
(b) Ride in or fly CAP aircraft. (This includes member-owned aircraft on CAP
flight activity as defined in CAPR 60-1, CAP Flight Management.)
(c) Participate in CAP activities in any capacity except to attend specified
conferences and social events as outlined in paragraphs 3-1b(1)e and f above.
(d) Be promoted while in reserve/patron statusErgo -
Holiday party, yes, if invited. Unit meetings, no, invited or otherwise.
You come out of Patron and then attend a meeting to re-up currency, not the other way around.
The only real reason to maintain a Personnel File anymore is because the Regulation requires it. Also where would you keep all of the required supporting documentation that we are required to maintain locally... Membership Applications, CAPF 2A's etc..
I think we are moving in the right direction in moving more and more things to eServices, but as we all know eServices doesn't do everything that we are required to do redundantly.
Quote from: SARDOC on July 03, 2014, 03:04:45 AM
The only real reason to maintain a Personnel File anymore is because the Regulation requires it. Also where would you keep all of the required supporting documentation that we are required to maintain locally... Membership Applications, CAPF 2A's etc..
Agreed - but the only reason we're keeping that stuff is "because we're keeping that stuff".
These days very little is done on actual paper, even the approvals. I have gobs of initiated 2's and 2a's,
and very few ultimately approved with a signature.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 03, 2014, 03:03:07 AM
Quote from: SARDOC on July 03, 2014, 02:48:30 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 02, 2014, 08:14:59 PM
Quote from: mynetdude on July 02, 2014, 07:47:02 PM
wasn't sure about the patron status since you can't get patron membership rather than having to pay the full amount for senior member; so good to know and thanks. That being said I assume I can't go to any squadron meetings unless it is for the intent to transfer correct?
Not even for that, unless you're invited in advance.
I don't find it that clear in the Regulation. They can't attend CAP Activities (which I believe would include regular meetings) but they can attend Wing, Region, National Conferences and even use CAP Corporate Ground Transportation.
I would think that the Spirit of the rule is that they could attend the meeting especially considering that
Quote from: Members may attend any unit meeting for the purpose of completing the monthly safety education requirement;
and that could be construed as a meeting the requirement set forth in
Quote from: CAPR 39-2Reserve/patron members may: (snipped for brevity) h. Transfer to active member status upon meeting active member qualifications.
You'd think these regulations were written by a bunch of Lawyers :)
b. Reserve/Patron Member. A reserve/patron member is a financial supporter who
maintains current membership through payment of annual membership dues and participates in a
limited capacity as outlined below. Such members may be assigned to a local unit or at the National
level.
(1) Reserve/patron members may:
(a) Receive a specially annotated membership card.
(b) Receive the Volunteer magazine.
(c) Receive discounts associated with senior membership (car rental, etc.).
(d) Retain the last grade held prior to entering reserve/patron status.
(e) Attend wing and region conferences and the CAP Annual Conference sponsored
by National Headquarters.
(f) Attend special unit social events upon invitation by the commander concerned,
such as anniversary celebrations, awards banquets, holiday parties, etc.
(g) Use Civil Air Patrol ground transportation, but use of Civil Air Patrol air
transportation is prohibited.
(h) Transfer to active member status upon meeting active member qualifications.
(See paragraph 3 below.)
(2) Reserve/patron members may not:
(a) Wear the CAP uniform.
(b) Ride in or fly CAP aircraft. (This includes member-owned aircraft on CAP
flight activity as defined in CAPR 60-1, CAP Flight Management.)
(c) Participate in CAP activities in any capacity except to attend specified
conferences and social events as outlined in paragraphs 3-1b(1)e and f above.
(d) Be promoted while in reserve/patron status
Ergo -
Holiday party, yes, if invited. Unit meetings, no, invited or otherwise.
You come out of Patron and then attend a meeting to re-up currency, not the other way around.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. That's not my interpretation of it. General Public is requested to attend three meetings prior to even deciding on becoming an active member, but we can't do that even if a Patron Member has never been an Active Member? There is no requirement for an Patron Member to have ever been an Active Member but somehow we expect them to demonstrate that they meet the requirements for Active membership by providing I-9 Documents and a Fingerprint card without ever coming to a meeting. We appreciate the financial support of our Organization, but you can't come to any activity even as an observer and not a participant to see how we might use that money.
You may have had a member join as an Active Member but due to personal circumstances have to become Reserve/Patron prior to completing training requirements but you can't come to a meeting to find out how to become active again. I think this doesn't jive with the Mentorship program
I don't believe that is the intent in which this regulation is written. I see this an insurance requirement, don't come participate and get hurt because you aren't covered by insurance...but neither are General Public Prospective members. They Should be able to come and observe but not "participate". I don't allow prospective members to "participate". I also don't question everybody and check ID's coming into the Door for Membership Status. I don't know some of the Patron members of my Squadron, wouldn't know them if they came through the door.
I invite them to events...never getting a reply, they were patrons long before my affiliation with the Squadron. "Hi, I'm Joe Smith, Patron Member...I want to become active again" "I'm sorry Mr. Smith, you are prohibited by Civil Air Patrol Regulations from even being here" I'm not sure that would go over well. Again, not what I believe is the spirit of the rule.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 03, 2014, 03:09:11 AM
Quote from: SARDOC on July 03, 2014, 03:04:45 AM
The only real reason to maintain a Personnel File anymore is because the Regulation requires it. Also where would you keep all of the required supporting documentation that we are required to maintain locally... Membership Applications, CAPF 2A's etc..
Agreed - but the only reason we're keeping that stuff is "because we're keeping that stuff".
These days very little is done on actual paper, even the approvals. I have gobs of initiated 2's and 2a's,
and very few ultimately approved with a signature.
I absolutely agree. I'm Master Rated Personnel Track and can only think of a few examples. I challenge stuff all the time. Are we reporting just for the sake of reporting? Why can't there be a better way. The only reason is compliance with outdated regulations. (although recently rereleased)
Quote from: SARDOC on July 03, 2014, 03:21:52 AM
We'll just have to agree to disagree. That's not my interpretation of it. General Public is requested to attend three meetings prior to even deciding on becoming an active member, but we can't do that even if a Patron Member has never been an Active Member? There is no requirement for an Patron Member to have ever been an Active Member but somehow we expect them to demonstrate that they meet the requirements for Active membership by providing I-9 Documents and a Fingerprint card without ever coming to a meeting. We appreciate the financial support of our Organization, but you can't come to any activity even as an observer and not a participant to see how we might use that money.
You may have had a member join as an Active Member but due to personal circumstances have to become Reserve/Patron prior to completing training requirements but you can't come to a meeting to find out how to become active again. I think this doesn't jive with the Mentorship program
I don't believe that is the intent in which this regulation is written. I see this an insurance requirement, don't come participate and get hurt because you aren't covered by insurance...but neither are General Public Prospective members. They Should be able to come and observe but not "participate". I don't allow prospective members to "participate". I also don't question everybody and check ID's coming into the Door for Membership Status. I don't know some of the Patron members of my Squadron, wouldn't know them if they came through the door.
I invite them to events...never getting a reply, they were patrons long before my affiliation with the Squadron. "Hi, I'm Joe Smith, Patron Member...I want to become active again" "I'm sorry Mr. Smith, you are prohibited by Civil Air Patrol Regulations from even being here" I'm not sure that would go over well. Again, not what I believe is the spirit of the rule.
"Prospective" members aren't "members", "Patron" members are, different circumstance, different rules.
The reg says "no activities" I don't know how much clearer it needs to be.
I'll concede some chicken and egg considering that to come out of patron after what 90 days? You need to do
a fingerprint card again and background check again, so there's that.
The intention is clearly to keep the "general" patron from just wandering in and out of activities without being welcome,
I could see where a had-line could be an issue for someone coming back, though it's not impossible to manage.
Quote from: SARDOC on July 03, 2014, 03:24:00 AM
Quote from: Eclipse on July 03, 2014, 03:09:11 AM
Quote from: SARDOC on July 03, 2014, 03:04:45 AM
The only real reason to maintain a Personnel File anymore is because the Regulation requires it. Also where would you keep all of the required supporting documentation that we are required to maintain locally... Membership Applications, CAPF 2A's etc..
Agreed - but the only reason we're keeping that stuff is "because we're keeping that stuff".
These days very little is done on actual paper, even the approvals. I have gobs of initiated 2's and 2a's,
and very few ultimately approved with a signature.
I absolutely agree. I'm Master Rated Personnel Track and can only think of a few examples. I challenge stuff all the time. Are we reporting just for the sake of reporting? Why can't there be a better way. The only reason is compliance with outdated regulations. (although recently rereleased)
I think we are on the same page.....there is still a lot of stuff not tracked by E-services yet. Conference attendance, decoration, ES participation. So there are a lot of good reasons to continue to maintain the records........but we (CAP) should be moving to E-services as fast as we can.
Yep.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 03, 2014, 03:30:45 AM
"Prospective" members aren't "members", "Patron" members are, different circumstance, different rules.
The reg says "no activities" I don't know how much clearer it needs to be.
I'll concede some chicken and egg considering that to come out of patron after what 90 days? You need to do
a fingerprint card again and background check again, so there's that.
The intention is clearly to keep the "general" patron from just wandering in and out of activities without being welcome,
I could see where a had-line could be an issue for someone coming back, though it's not impossible to manage.
Just as long as you stay consistent. I would hope that you would evict a State Legislative Member from your meeting who showed without an invitation as well. This isn't out of the realm of possibility in my meeting location because of where we meet. Just had the Governor come by last Friday.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 03, 2014, 03:30:45 AM
Quote from: SARDOC on July 03, 2014, 03:21:52 AM
We'll just have to agree to disagree. That's not my interpretation of it. General Public is requested to attend three meetings prior to even deciding on becoming an active member, but we can't do that even if a Patron Member has never been an Active Member? There is no requirement for an Patron Member to have ever been an Active Member but somehow we expect them to demonstrate that they meet the requirements for Active membership by providing I-9 Documents and a Fingerprint card without ever coming to a meeting. We appreciate the financial support of our Organization, but you can't come to any activity even as an observer and not a participant to see how we might use that money.
You may have had a member join as an Active Member but due to personal circumstances have to become Reserve/Patron prior to completing training requirements but you can't come to a meeting to find out how to become active again. I think this doesn't jive with the Mentorship program
I don't believe that is the intent in which this regulation is written. I see this an insurance requirement, don't come participate and get hurt because you aren't covered by insurance...but neither are General Public Prospective members. They Should be able to come and observe but not "participate". I don't allow prospective members to "participate". I also don't question everybody and check ID's coming into the Door for Membership Status. I don't know some of the Patron members of my Squadron, wouldn't know them if they came through the door.
I invite them to events...never getting a reply, they were patrons long before my affiliation with the Squadron. "Hi, I'm Joe Smith, Patron Member...I want to become active again" "I'm sorry Mr. Smith, you are prohibited by Civil Air Patrol Regulations from even being here" I'm not sure that would go over well. Again, not what I believe is the spirit of the rule.
"Prospective" members aren't "members", "Patron" members are, different circumstance, different rules.
The reg says "no activities" I don't know how much clearer it needs to be.
I'll concede some chicken and egg considering that to come out of patron after what 90 days? You need to do
a fingerprint card again and background check again, so there's that.
The intention is clearly to keep the "general" patron from just wandering in and out of activities without being welcome,
I could see where a had-line could be an issue for someone coming back, though it's not impossible to manage.
wait.. a background+fingerprint is required after 90 days of not being active while in reserve/patron status? I thought it was 6 months after membership lapse so if your membership hasn't lapsed but you ARE a patron with a current membership you shouldn't need a background+fingerprint check. If so, where does it say that?
The fingerprint card would need to be resubmitted after 180 days according to CAPR 39-2. That's if you go by the Regulation
CAP Knowledgebase says "Reserve/patrons transferring to active status who have not previously completed the FBI screening procedures must include a FD Form 258 with the CAPF 2A."
Which would lead me to believe that since they've maintained continuous membership although in a Patron Status that the Fingerprint card may not be required at all of they've already done so. Although that isn't consistent with the regulation which is a huge mental hurdle for some people to think that the Knowledgebase frequently puts out vague, misleading or just plain out right wrong information...since it's contradicted by the Actual Letter of the regulation.
That being said. I had a Military Reservist accept Active Duty Orders to Afghanistan and was gone about a year and four months. He went patron on deployment to meet the intent and not have to worry about his Monthly Safety requirement among other things. 16 Months later, I sent a CAPF 2a electronic to NHQ returning him to Senior Membership. No Fingerprint Card, not even a note that said he was deployed on active duty (suspend membership dues, etc). He's on my Active List today.
Just a couple of points here. CAPR 39-2 para 1-11d(2) states "When a member transfers, the transferring member will be responsible for ensuring his or her records are delivered to the gaining unit." The regulation now not specify hand carry like it did in the past.
CAPR 39-2 para 3-1b(3)(b) states "Members desiring to transfer back to active status will use the same procedure above; however, if not previously validated Commanders must also validate the individual's proof of identity and annotate the Form 2a accordingly. Acceptable documents for proof of identity are the same documents required on the Form I-9 for employment eligibility verification. See attachment 2 for a list of these documents. NOTE: Reserve/patrons transferring to active status who have not previously completed the FBI screening procedures must include a FD Form 258 with the CAPF 2A."
That's clear to me that if the Patron member has previously completed fingerprinting and had his proof of identity verified by the commander he does not need to resubmit fingerprint cards.
I have never been put on patron/reserve status before, so I assume I only need to show proof of identity with one of the methods in 39-2 Para 3
Quote from: mynetdude on July 03, 2014, 06:44:16 AM
I have never been put on patron/reserve status before, so I assume I only need to show proof of identity with one of the methods in 39-2 Para 3
As well as a Fingerprint Card if you are out over 180 days depending on how some read the regulation.
Quote from: mynetdude on July 03, 2014, 06:44:16 AM
I have never been put on patron/reserve status before, so I assume I only need to show proof of identity with one of the methods in 39-2 Para 3
Are you going to 000 and intending to stay there or are you just looking for another unit because you're not
getting along with the current CC?
If it's the latter, don't go patron/000 just fine the new unit. It's either for everyone involved.
Quote from: Eclipse on July 05, 2014, 04:22:12 AM
Quote from: mynetdude on July 03, 2014, 06:44:16 AM
I have never been put on patron/reserve status before, so I assume I only need to show proof of identity with one of the methods in 39-2 Para 3
Are you going to 000 and intending to stay there or are you just looking for another unit because you're not
getting along with the current CC?
If it's the latter, don't go patron/000 just fine the new unit. It's either for everyone involved.
I had no intention of going 000 in the first place, but if things get resolved I would like to return to my previous unit. Next nearest unit is 30 miles away and significantly larger, no other units in the state small enough which is what I prefer.
I most likely will not return to CAP if the problem isn't resolved by the time my membership expires (in 4 months).