Can Senior Members go from GTM3 directly to GTL?

[Short Field]

Back to the original question, yes you can go directly from GTM-3 to GTL, unless your wing has a supplement requiring something else.  For instance, Maryland requires GTM-2.

Maryland can not legally require GTM-2 for GTLs as that requires an approved Wing supplement to CAPR 60-3.  Maryland does not have an approved supplement according to National.  Check this site for all approved supplements:
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/emergency_services/operations_support/approved_supplements_waivers_ois_etc_to_capr_603.cfm

If a individual doesn't follow the regulations, how can they expect other people to following the regulations?   More "do as I say, not as I do"?

[lordmonar]

One of the questions I have about the GTM levels....is that the 60-3 restrictions to training do not have anything to do with training levels.....but gear levels.

(2) Team training and experience must be appropriate for the mission (proficiency in DF use, ground rescue knowledge, concentrated area search procedures, missing person search, etc.). Ground Team Members – Level 1 should be prepared to conduct ground team operations within their limits of training up to 72 hours. Ground Team Members – Level 2 should be prepared to conduct ground team operations within their limits of training for up to 48 hours. Ground Team Members – Level 3 should be prepared to conduct ground team operations within their limits of training for up to 24 hours.
(a) A ground team may only conduct operations within the limits of training of its lowest qualified member. A member qualified at one level, and having supervised trainee status for a higher level may be used operationally at the higher level if the trainee is properly equipped and supervised.
(b) Team assignments must be carefully matched with team member qualifications before releasing a ground team on a sortie.

These are time limitations not training limitations.  That would make sense if the training was some how matched this thinking....but the skills needed to go out into the field for 24 hours are exactly the same as those required for 72 hours.

[davedove]

Back to the original question, yes you can go directly from GTM-3 to GTL, unless your wing has a supplement requiring something else.  For instance, Maryland requires GTM-2.

Maryland can not legally require GTM-2 for GTLs as that requires an approved Wing supplement to CAPR 60-3.  Maryland does not have an approved supplement according to National.  Check this site for all approved supplements:
http://members.gocivilairpatrol.com/emergency_services/operations_support/approved_supplements_waivers_ois_etc_to_capr_603.cfm

If a individual doesn't follow the regulations, how can they expect other people to following the regulations?   More "do as I say, not as I do"?

Interesting, they did have an approved supplement posted on the wing website but it's not there now, probably because 60-3 was recently updated.

Okay, they did require it and may do a supplement to require it again.

Still, check with your local wing.

[sardak]

These are time limitations not training limitations.  That would make sense if the training was some how matched this thinking....but the skills needed to go out into the field for 24 hours are exactly the same as those required for 72 hours.

It's based on the current FEMA Wilderness SAR Team Typing.

FEMA Type III/IV teams have to be self-sufficient in terms of personnel, equipment and full search capability in a wilderness environment for 24 hours. Type II teams have to be self-sufficient for 48 hours and Type I teams for 72 hours.

The proposed FEMA typing, which is no where close to being published, does away with all that and all Land SAR teams (crews, squads) have to be self-sustaining for 72 hours minimum.

Mike

[BlackKnight]

I can do those five tasks in about an hour. Or am I missing something?

You'll be missing five SQTR task signoffs if you whip through those tasks in only an hour if I'm supervising the GTM training.     
(Note: Flyguy and I are in the same wing- no flames intended.)

[radar207]

Good stuff.  Thank you all.