Former 81 Year Old CAP SQ Commander Gets Tasered By Base Security Police

[RADIOMAN015]

This is an interesting story....
http://newsminer.com/pages/full_story/push?article-81-year-old+Tasered+by+Eielson+Air+Force+Base+police%20&id=4253637-81-year-old+Tasered+by+Eielson+Air+Force+Base+police&instance=home_news_window

Not good PR for CAP.    Noted it says "former" commander.  Wonder how the press dug this up about CAP
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[jimmydeanno]

I don't like when they try to make associations that have nothing to do with the incident at hand.  "A Former Squadron Commander in the Civil Air Patrol..."  It's like saying, "A former volunteer with a soup kitchen."

In this case, it appears as though they were trying to make some sort of association between him and the base that doesn't even exist...

[Flying Pig]

I don't like when they try to make associations that have nothing to do with the incident at hand.  "A Former Squadron Commander in the Civil Air Patrol..."  It's like saying, "A former volunteer with a soup kitchen."

In this case, it appears as though they were trying to make some sort of association between him and the base that doesn't even exist...

Mentioning CAP in this article was a ridiculous on the part of the reporter.  Trying to sensationalize the issue by attaching the word  "commander" to him somehow.  In addition, age means nothing.  Ive been shot at by a 91yr old man and an 85 yr old man in 2 different incident, had a knife pulled on my by a guy in his 80s and nearly had my butt handed to me in a fist fight at a domestic violence call because I didnt think an 80 yr old, 130lb man posed much of a threat. What I didnt know was that he had been a career boxer in his day and still taught boxing for the youth Police Activities League.  People think because someone has aged that they no longer pose a threat.  I and I can guarantee EVERY cop knows it looks bad when you lay out a senior citizen.

[Johnny Yuma]

Two words: DASH CAM. I suspect they've got this guy on video and based on the sergeant's statements they got him nailed to the wall.

Just because you're an elderly priest who used to be in CAP doesn't mean you're not a lowlife.Sounds like this old fart thinks his AARP membership gives him an "I'm old and stupid" discount with everyone, including the cops. There's more of these out there than there should be.

Can we have him tasered again?

[brenaud]

People think because someone has aged that they no longer pose a threat.

Reminds me of the line "age and treachery will overcome youth and vigor"

[Slim]

I'll just bet that, if asked, the reporting outlet will say they got the story from NOTF. 

Like that's a truly legitimate source anyway, and only they would feel the need to publish anything that would make CAP look bad.

EDIT:  Yep, pretty much word-for-word what the NOTF article said yesterday.

[Nick]

Two words: DASH CAM.

I wish.  In-car video is a rarity in security forces (read: I've never seen one car with one -- I'm sure some of the high-speed, high-budget squadrons have 'em ... but nowhere I've been)

[BillB]

Wow NOTF had the story yeaterday. But if you look the original story was published by the newspaper four days ago.

[Johnny Yuma]

Two words: DASH CAM.

I wish.  In-car video is a rarity in security forces (read: I've never seen one car with one -- I'm sure some of the high-speed, high-budget squadrons have 'em ... but nowhere I've been)

Alaska Hipo's have them and they were on the chase as well.

[Major Lord]

As a Certified Law Enforcement AIR TASER instructor, I can safely say ( having been shocked in every conceivable fashion with a TASER) that it is far more preferable to the alternatives, which include being beaten into submission with a Baton(s), Tackled by a bunch of big beefy officers ( generally resulting in injuries to ALCON) Spayed with Mace or pepper gas, or shot with a bean bag gun from a shotgun, or a combination of any or all of these things. Using a TASER is less likely to result in injuries to the suspect and the Officers than laying hands on a violently combative suspect. Sure its a little disconcerting for members of the public to hear the screams of the shocked suspect, but the scream is about 80% fear, 10% anger, and 10 % pain. Pulling the darts out is worse then putting them in!

Being elderly, episcopalian or a CAP member does not mean that you are not a serious threat to the safety of the arresting officers. Quit being a ( can't  use the word I want here, so please fill it in mentally) and the cops won't have to shock you. Its a pretty simple social contract......

Major Lord

[Flying Pig]

Of course, you have heard.....

That TASER now only approves shots the extremities.  No longer are body shots with the TASER authorized per TASER.  In my opinion, you can have it now.  No way am I going to be able to hit an arm or a leg, and if I hit the torso, even if there are no after effects, the guy can sue me with TASER's permission.  TASER will show up to court and testify that I used it improperly and out of compliance with training standards. 

[a2capt]

So in effect, TASER just wrote their own death certificate in a sense, as I gather many LE's probably have the same outlook on the situation, and will think twice or more before resorting to using the device.

The news media has this incredible urge to introduce everything they can find about the individual along the story, and most of the time it's totally irrelevant.

Obviously the guy is some sort of rebel,  he's had his issues before, and as attested here being 81 is not simply a reason to presume the suspect can't do squat to you.

[Flying Pig]

So in effect, TASER just wrote their own death certificate in a sense, as I gather many LE's probably have the same outlook on the situation, and will think twice or more before resorting to using the device.

The news media has this incredible urge to introduce everything they can find about the individual along the story, and most of the time it's totally irrelevant.

Obviously the guy is some sort of rebel,  he's had his issues before, and as attested here being 81 is not simply a reason to presume the suspect can't do squat to you.

It left most of us who use them scratching our heads.

[A.Member]

I don't like when they try to make associations that have nothing to do with the incident at hand.  "A Former Squadron Commander in the Civil Air Patrol..."  It's like saying, "A former volunteer with a soup kitchen."

In this case, it appears as though they were trying to make some sort of association between him and the base that doesn't even exist...

Mentioning CAP in this article was a ridiculous on the part of the reporter...

Agreed, what relavance does it have to the story?! None what so ever. 

If a fact is not relevant to a news story, don't include it.  This is a pet peave of mine.

[Cecil DP]

So in effect, TASER just wrote their own death certificate in a sense, as I gather many LE's probably have the same outlook on the situation, and will think twice or more before resorting to using the device.

What it did was remove the TASER manufacturers out of the litigation cycle.

[Johnny Yuma]

So in effect, TASER just wrote their own death certificate in a sense, as I gather many LE's probably have the same outlook on the situation, and will think twice or more before resorting to using the device.

What it did was remove the TASER manufacturers out of the litigation cycle.

Yeah, becasue LE agencies will quit using them. trying to hit a dirtbag in the legs with a  tazer is no different than shooting him there with your duty weapon.

[Flying Pig]

What will happen is the same thing we do with the baton.  You make every effort to make strikes to the thighs and arms.  If the suspect bobs and weaves and you smack them in the brain bucket, oh well.  Suspect should have weaved instead of bobbed.  It wont be the end of the TASER but it makes them look silly.

[Майор Хаткевич]

You make every effort to make strikes to the thighs and arms.  If the suspect bobs and weaves and you smack them in the brain bucket, oh well.

[Spike]

I just do not understand how an Airman could not physically get an 81 year old man under control without using the gun.

Also, was this on an Air Force Base??   

[Майор Хаткевич]

I just do not understand how an Airman could not physically get an 81 year old man under control without using the gun.

Also, was this on an Air Force Base??   

What physical condition is the 81 year old in?