Have a Problem seeking advise on the situtaion

[mobius]

To start things off, I've been removed for staff from by a cadet officer and they aren't able to do that because it was placed on staff by a senior member that just so happens to be the squadron commander. Second of all (keep in mind that these are cadet offer that no senior members were involved in this conversation) they are saying I'm a troubled Cadet and they are trying to find any excuse to get rid of me examples are they are saying I'm treating senior members with no respect this is a false statement I practice and preach custom and curtsey in fact there is only one senior member who has problem with me it's a personal problem based off of religion also they have said that I've sexually harassed a female cadet  again this is not true I have even asked her about this and she even said this is a load of crap and the last thing ( and remember again these are senior officers cadets no senior members where involved on their side of the party) the only thing that I can think of is that this is a personal vendetta and a complete insult on my character and  it has divide the squadron, Cadet staff vs. NCO and lower ranking Cadets. The chain of command is broken. My Squadron is broken, I care lot for this squadron and this is why this needs to be posted. I posted this one on cadet concerns earlier today it was immediately taken off by one of the cadet officers with a personal vendetta against me and I am sorry to say that this cadet officer which I had the greatest respect for as a cadet officer for his knowledge and understanding of Civil Air Patrol aspect but as a person and a officer he should of know that the first thing that comes with Civil Air Patrol is integrity first as for all cadets involved in the situation and let this be a reminder to all cadets in the Civil Air Patrol Cadet Program to maintain integrity and respect for all members of Civil Air Patrol.


semper vigilans
C/MSrgt. Campbell

[mobius]

One of the Cadets in my squadron posted this on his Facebook and was asked to remove it by one of the Cadet officers:

[name redacted by mod] October 3 at 1:15am
I believe I should bring up an issue that may be harmful to our squadron, and our squadron members. Religious speech during CAP events. I personally think that religion is going to arouse aggravation, arguments, and, in our current position, discussion of kicking one of our own, as a "family", out of the squadron. I'm not saying that anyone can't practice their religion, but it is becoming an ever-growing problem in the squadron. Personally, I am strongly opposed to the idea of trying to bring any form of religious speaking, acting, or writing, into squadron or CAP activities. This is my address to as many cadets and senior members as possible, and I will present this at the first CAC meeting that I can make.

[name redacted by mod]

Keep the names of others out of this.  -Mod

[Cecil DP]

Mr Mobius, you have evidently not spoken to the Squadron Commander about your concerns. Please do, not put your units's trash on the street until you do.

[Seabee219]

How cadets want to pratice there religon in there family is there own thing, no one elses. Second,  get your DCC involved in all the convos the cadet officers are having, he will see it is all BS and take care of it. I am DCC in my squadron and if my cadet officers did that, they would have to deal with me.  It seems your chain of command could be broken due to lack of senior member involvement, and it is an ongoing problem in many squadrons. 

  Get people involved that will take care of the problem, let your cadet officers know that they are almost infact hazing in some way or another at you.  Making false statements is not good either.  Anyway, get someone involved, if no one will help you, go to IG.

JC Capt CAP

[mobius]

The Commander was on a CAP mission and I highly doubt that he had anything to do with it. And to explain a little deeper the Cadet Officers have a problem with the fact I don't believe in talking about religion at cap and that the girl that I supposedly sexually harassed One of the Officers is very Obsess with her I did not touch her we just simply got into a argument that was not a CAP or at any CAP events.

[mobius]

Mr Mobius, you have evidently not spoken to the Squadron Commander about your concerns. Please do, not put your units's trash on the street until you do.

His Wife and his two sons which one is the Cadet commander and the other is in the Air Force Academy Have talk to him they are all on my side of this and believe its wrong to single out me on this matter 

[mobius]

And plus they would not let my girlfriend promote because they told me she was only there for me. Which let me tell you is not true that is total BS. She is there for the same reason most other Cadets are. I do not understand why they would say this. We do not display PDA at CAP. What gets me about this and another officer (one thats not against me) that the CC didn't not tell her but went and told all of the other Officers and me this.

[CAPSGT]

C/MSgt Campbell,

The core of this issue resides at the squadron.  We on CAPTalk are not there and cannot get the other side of the story to develop an accurate, unbiased opinion to offer advice from.  What needs to happen here is that this needs to be handled within the chain of command.

I would take the issue up with your cadet commander first.  If that is the person you are having a problem with I would first say that in many squadrons the Cadet Commander is empowered to make staffing decisions such as this.  However, if the problem is with the cadet commander and you cannot resolve the issue between yourselves, get your Deputy Commander for Cadets or Squadron Commander involved.  Have a meeting with both of you present.  That way everyone hears each side of the story and has an opportunity to clear up any misconceptions or learn from mistakes.  Using the chain of command to solve problems works better than posting the problem on a public focum 100% of the time.  We in CAPTalk land have no ability to fix the situation.

Take the advice for what it's worth.  In 8 years as a cadet and now 5 as a Senior Member, this method has always worked best.  I may not have always agreed with the decision of my superiors, but it gave a firm decision to move forward from.

[Al Sayre]

Since the basic disagreement seems to be about religious beliefs, I'd recommend that you get the Chaplain (assuming you have one) involved.  He/she should know the rules regarding proselytizing at CAP functions and should be able to lead a discussion at your squadron about what is acceptable or unacceptable.   No matter what your religious beliefs are, even if you have none, CAP does not tolerate discrimination based on religion.  Once you solve that core issue, perhaps you can solve the ancillary issues that this has caused.

[flyguy06]

Issues like this are the exact reason why I think we give cadets too much power in CAP. We forget that cadets are still teens andlearning. Sure we need to give them responsibility but to a certain limit.

When you start affecting cadets lives i think it takes it to another level and there should be some senior member oversight.

[Flying Pig]

Regardless, this is something you need to address with your own Squadron.  If it is not worked out at that level, contact the group level and so on.  None of this can be sorted out here.

[lordmonar]

For the most part...I will parrot what others have said....talk to your squadron commander.  It's his job to take care of this.

But let me make some specific points.

To start things off, I've been removed for staff from by a cadet officer and they aren't able to do that because it was placed on staff by a senior member that just so happens to be the squadron commander.

Depending on who exactly in the chain of command removed you from this position he may in fact have the power to do so.....even if you were appointed by the squadron commander.  All staff appointments are done in the name of the squadron commander.  He may deligate that power to anyone he chooses.

Second of all (keep in mind that these are cadet offer that no senior members were involved in this conversation) they are saying I'm a troubled Cadet and they are trying to find any excuse to get rid of me examples are they are saying I'm treating senior members with no respect this is a false statement I practice and preach custom and curtsey in fact there is only one senior member who has problem with me it's a personal problem based off of religion

Well if you have a problem with one Senior Member then you have a problem with C&C.  If you have a specific problem with a senior member then again you need to take that up with the squadron commander.

also they have said that I've sexually harassed a female cadet  again this is not true I have even asked her about this and she even said this is a load of crap

This is a very serious alligation.  First if there is any suspicion of sexual harassment it needs to be reported to the commander.  If someone is making false accusations then you need to go to your commander right now!

and the last thing ( and remember again these are senior officers cadets no senior members where involved on their side of the party) the only thing that I can think of is that this is a personal vendetta and a complete insult on my character and  it has divide the squadron, Cadet staff vs. NCO and lower ranking Cadets.

Again take this to your squadron commander.

The chain of command is broken. My Squadron is broken, I care lot for this squadron and this is why this needs to be posted.

It sure is....and you broke it.  CAP Talk is NOT in your chain of command and none of this needed to be posted here if you had followed the proper chain and take your concerns to the squadron commander.

I posted this one on cadet concerns earlier today it was immediately taken off by one of the cadet officers with a personal vendetta against me and I am sorry to say that this cadet officer which I had the greatest respect for as a cadet officer for his knowledge and understanding of Civil Air Patrol aspect but as a person and a officer he should of know that the first thing that comes with Civil Air Patrol is integrity first as for all cadets involved in the situation and let this be a reminder to all cadets in the Civil Air Patrol Cadet Program to maintain integrity and respect for all members of Civil Air Patrol.

I don't know where you posted it that someone else was able to delete it....but it may not be a violation of integrety to try to solve problems at the lowest level and to keep the dirty laundry in house.

semper vigilans
C/MSrgt. Campbell

Some final comments:

- Puctuation is your friend.  There was only one period in your entire post.
- There is a time and place to take your problems to the forums....AFTER you have used the chain of command!