Should CAP-USAF State Directors Be Given More Authority/Power over CAP?

Started by RiverAux, August 17, 2009, 02:41:52 AM

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The CyBorg is destroyed

We had an AFRES Major stop in and talk to us just recently (mostly a motivational keep-on-keepin-on' talk).  Great guy.  However, I'm not sure how frequent this is around CAP.

I remember the days of LO's and LNCO's.  I'd like to go back to that, but in the meantime I do my best to accept what is.
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Mustang

Quote from: FW on September 02, 2009, 11:29:05 AM
^OK, I would love to hear an explanation of that statement.
From what I remember, it wasn't Jay's fault the events leading to the total reorganization of CAP came to pass.  It started with a "white paper" in the pentagon...... >:D 

You're forgetting Bobick's "write your congressman!" campaign and all that surrounded it.   
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BillB

Looking at the duties of the Wing Directors comparedto the duties the the active duty USAF Wing Liaison staff, ou can see that the WD can't accomplish 1/2 of what the LO staff was able to. With an LO, an LNO and a USAF paid secretary or in a few cases an LNCO who was a clerk typist getting USAF support for CAP activities was much higher.
The cure to much of CAP's woes would be the USAF reactivating the LO program assigning 158 AD personnel to CAP. (3 per Wing and one more to the RegionLO staff. The LO staff also had a travel budget which allowed the LO to visit more Squadrons and find more support for CAP activities such as encampments. An esample: Florida Wing could not find a USAF base in the state to support an encampment. The LO was able to travel and find an Air National Guard base in Georgia for the encampment. The use of the airbase cut the costs to cadets by about fifty percent  Can something like that happen now? Very doubtful under the WD system.
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Cecil DP

Quote from: BillB on September 20, 2009, 11:42:52 AM
Looking at the duties of the Wing Directors comparedto the duties the the active duty USAF Wing Liaison staff, ou can see that the WD can't accomplish 1/2 of what the LO staff was able to. With an LO, an LNO and a USAF paid secretary or in a few cases an LNCO who was a clerk typist getting USAF support for CAP activities was much higher.
The cure to much of CAP's woes would be the USAF reactivating the LO program assigning 158 AD personnel to CAP. (3 per Wing and one more to the RegionLO staff. The LO staff also had a travel budget which allowed the LO to visit more Squadrons and find more support for CAP activities such as encampments. An esample: Florida Wing could not find a USAF base in the state to support an encampment. The LO was able to travel and find an Air National Guard base in Georgia for the encampment. The use of the airbase cut the costs to cadets by about fifty percent  Can something like that happen now? Very doubtful under the WD system.

The cost of adding the three positions to each Wing would be prohibitive in the current economy and especially when the Air Force and all the services are eliminating positions rather than adding  them. Assuming you have a LtCol and a Technical Sergeant assigned their salaries and benefits would come close to $200K annually. The secretary would add another $50,000 in Wings that have them. The Wing Directors job is essentially the same as the AF Liason and do not entail the assignment of 100+ AF Officersd and NCO's who are not available anyways.
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ZigZag911

Any possibility of shared personnel with AFJROTC? Or perhaps Air National Guard?

Major Carrales

Quote from: ZigZag911 on September 20, 2009, 07:37:40 PM
Any possibility of shared personnel with AFJROTC? Or perhaps Air National Guard?

In reality, the idea of adding responsibilities to job descriptions without subsequent pay is often looked at a deal killer.
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FW

Quote from: Cecil DP on September 20, 2009, 04:06:23 PM
Quote from: BillB on September 20, 2009, 11:42:52 AM
Looking at the duties of the Wing Directors comparedto the duties the the active duty USAF Wing Liaison staff, ou can see that the WD can't accomplish 1/2 of what the LO staff was able to. With an LO, an LNO and a USAF paid secretary or in a few cases an LNCO who was a clerk typist getting USAF support for CAP activities was much higher.
The cure to much of CAP's woes would be the USAF reactivating the LO program assigning 158 AD personnel to CAP. (3 per Wing and one more to the RegionLO staff. The LO staff also had a travel budget which allowed the LO to visit more Squadrons and find more support for CAP activities such as encampments. An esample: Florida Wing could not find a USAF base in the state to support an encampment. The LO was able to travel and find an Air National Guard base in Georgia for the encampment. The use of the airbase cut the costs to cadets by about fifty percent  Can something like that happen now? Very doubtful under the WD system.

The cost of adding the three positions to each Wing would be prohibitive in the current economy and especially when the Air Force and all the services are eliminating positions rather than adding  them. Assuming you have a LtCol and a Technical Sergeant assigned their salaries and benefits would come close to $200K annually. The secretary would add another $50,000 in Wings that have them. The Wing Directors job is essentially the same as the AF Liason and do not entail the assignment of 100+ AF Officersd and NCO's who are not available anyways.

Not only is it cost prohibitive, it is unnessesary.  CAP NHQ staff has proven their ability to provide enough internal controls, with the help of the volunteers, to take care of most of the functions once held by the wing LO staff.   The SD's job will get less hectic as time goes by; owing to new technologies and internal programs. 

There is no desire by the Air Force or CAP to go back to the past for any realistic purpose on this issue.

The CyBorg is destroyed

Quote from: ZigZag911 on September 20, 2009, 07:37:40 PM
Any possibility of shared personnel with AFJROTC? Or perhaps Air National Guard?

I'm not sure how this would work vis-a-vis Title 10, but I think there could be a problem with ANG personnel not on FAD since they are state-controlled.

I don't see it happening.
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RiverAux

If SDs were given more authority and responsibility (which prompted this thread), then an increase in staff may be warranted.  As it is now, I don't really think my SD is being overwhelmed with work.