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Chappie
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« on: August 15, 2009, 05:03:53 PM »

Does anyone have the link to or a copy of the agenda for the 2009 National Board?  Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2009, 05:34:53 PM »

Chappie: the CAWG Wing Commander sent out the agenda about a week ago for comment, but I think that is was only sent to Commanders and Wing Staff.

I deleted it once I read it and made some comments, so I am no help.
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2009, 07:23:21 PM »

I still have mine. I'll send it on.

Chappie - pls PM me your current email. I'm not sure I have it.
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2009, 08:52:07 PM »

Why not post a link here so we can all enjoy it?
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2009, 08:56:43 PM »

Why not post a link here so we can all enjoy it?
Because if this was posted too soon, CAP members might actually have time to read and understand it and maybe even make comments on it through their chain of command. 

They obviously need to keep us in the dark as long as possible so as to get through what they want. 

They used to be pretty good about posting agendas well before the meetings, but not lately. 
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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2009, 10:21:06 PM »

Why not post a link here so we can all enjoy it?

I don't have it as a link, I have it as an email attachment, from my Wing CC. I will email it to whoever asks, but don't consider it within my AOR to put it up on the 'Net.

YMMV.
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2009, 01:17:21 AM »

I don't have it as a link, I have it as an email attachment, from my Wing CC. I will email it to whoever asks, but don't consider it within my AOR to put it up on the 'Net.

YMMV.

So, you will email it to whoever asks but won't attach it here?  What?!?!

Please Attach it in a PM to me (possible to do??) and I will post it here.  Seriously, it should be out there for EVERYONE to see.

National Headquarters can send me three separate Emails about "famous people" attending the Conference, and sign up sheets, but can't send me an attachment containing the agenda items so I can read over it and make suggestions to my Commanders. 

Umm......I thought we were all about that whole "transparency thing" now??
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2009, 02:42:14 AM »

Thats transperency of government, not CAP
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2009, 03:12:47 AM »

What ANOTHER what is your need to know from CAP

These guys REALLY impress me with their secret squirrel stuff.

When the time comes for DHS  HLS and grant funding...CAP won't have its own happy little way

There will be reporting processes that they HAVE to get used to and that time is now

NHQ and all their supporters think this stuff is "Corporate""     When it come to HLS missions and AAR's and other reporting points.... they are not going to be "choosy" about what is REQUIRED for all disemination (sp)

There will be requirements and if CAP thinks there won't be......too bad for them when someone asks to see what training documents, records, compliance checks etc

IT is about time CAP gets transparent.... they want Gov money, gov uniforms etc 

Time for them to start publishing what membership is spent on

Transparency in CAP?  RIGHT   reading that NHQ?
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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2009, 04:39:05 AM »

??

I don't know of any reason national MUST send the NB to each and every CAP member.

Last I checked we were not a democracy.

If a NB member cares to share it then that is good.  If an NB member asks for comments from his comman...that is good.

But neither is required.

On that note....don't ascribe to evil what can be attributed to stupid or lazy. 
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2009, 02:54:15 PM »

Agenda Item 18a. Interesting.
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2009, 04:20:33 PM »

Yes it is. It is also an old item (from 2001) that CAP-USAF non-concurs with. Don't see it happening.
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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2009, 05:21:08 PM »

Yes it is. It is also an old item (from 2001) that CAP-USAF non-concurs with. Don't see it happening.
Yeah, I noticed it. The discussion on that will be interesting, though likely brief. NHQ doesn't seem to enthused about it anymore, and CAP-USAF has made their position quite clear.
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2009, 05:31:28 PM »

Agenda Item 18a. Interesting.
Yes it is. It is also an old item (from 2001) that CAP-USAF non-concurs with. Don't see it happening.
Yeah, I noticed it. The discussion on that will be interesting, though likely brief. NHQ doesn't seem to enthused about it anymore, and CAP-USAF has made their position quite clear.

If you guys are going to discuss it, either post the agenda or discuss by PM.
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2009, 05:32:38 PM »

Here is the agenda.  Courtesy of your friendly national finance officer :)

* Agenda-Sep 09 Final.pdf (326.93 kB - downloaded 221 times.)
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« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2009, 05:41:10 PM »

Yes it is. It is also an old item (from 2001) that CAP-USAF non-concurs with. Don't see it happening.
Yeah, I noticed it. The discussion on that will be interesting, though likely brief. NHQ doesn't seem to enthused about it anymore, and CAP-USAF has made their position quite clear.

Don't be like that

Yes it is. It is also an old item (from 2001) that CAP-USAF non-concurs with. Don't see it happening.
Yeah, I noticed it. The discussion on that will be interesting, though likely brief. NHQ doesn't seem to enthused about it anymore, and CAP-USAF has made their position quite clear.

Don't be like that

Agenda Item 18a. Interesting.
Yes it is. It is also an old item (from 2001) that CAP-USAF non-concurs with. Don't see it happening.
Yeah, I noticed it. The discussion on that will be interesting, though likely brief. NHQ doesn't seem to enthused about it anymore, and CAP-USAF has made their position quite clear.

If you guys are going to discuss it, either post the agenda or discuss by PM.

Thank you, I agree with you!

Here is the agenda.  Courtesy of your friendly national finance officer :)


Thank you!  I appreciate your help.  You are now my favorite Colonel. 

Let me ask.....was it that hard to post??  You got it done in what....5 seconds??

??

I don't know of any reason national MUST send the NB to each and every CAP member.

Last I checked we were not a democracy.

If a NB member cares to share it then that is good.  If an NB member asks for comments from his comman...that is good.

But neither is required.

On that note....don't ascribe to evil what can be attributed to stupid or lazy. 

I agree with the lazy part.  They are not stupid though.  They wait until the last minute so the rank and file have no chance to pass comments up the "chain of command".
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2009, 05:42:14 PM »

Here is the agenda.  Courtesy of your friendly national finance officer :)

Thank you. It's annoying to be in the dark.
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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2009, 05:48:54 PM »

HOLY MOLY!
Agenda item 3:  Region commanders elected by the Wing Commanders. 
Wing Commanders elected by the members of their Wing. 
Squadron/Group commanders still chosen by Wing CC. 

CAP-USAF and National LO non-concurs. 

This would be absolutely wonderful.  As I've said before, I've seen this system work fairly well in the CG Aux, another paramilitary style organization.  And it is the way almost every club or other private organization in the country works.  Sure, there will be problems, but there are problems now. 

However, I think it would have been better to start introducing elections at the squadron level (with maybe allowing a veto by the Wing CC).  Once we get used to that, then start moving the electoral system upward. 
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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2009, 06:31:21 PM »

HOLY MOLY!
Agenda item 3:  Region commanders elected by the Wing Commanders. 
Wing Commanders elected by the members of their Wing. 
Squadron/Group commanders still chosen by Wing CC. 

CAP-USAF and National LO non-concurs. 

This would be absolutely wonderful.  As I've said before, I've seen this system work fairly well in the CG Aux, another paramilitary style organization.  And it is the way almost every club or other private organization in the country works.  Sure, there will be problems, but there are problems now. 

However, I think it would have been better to start introducing elections at the squadron level (with maybe allowing a veto by the Wing CC).  Once we get used to that, then start moving the electoral system upward.

I was just thinking about commenting on this one.  I understand where they're going with the proposal, and the  >:D in me wouldn't mind seeing such a power shift.  But I'm not sure elections for more levels of leadership is the right answer.

Our higher-ups spend enough time politicking and electioneering as it is.  This would make it even worse, IMHO.  Besides, it's doubtful the board would ever go for this as it strips too much power away from most of them.
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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2009, 06:43:33 PM »

Seems like a lot of folks want General stars. That's a few too many for our organization.  A Major General in Command, a Brigadier for Vice, and Brigadiers for each region I can see; but they're asking a lot.

BTW, who's been typing up these things? I'm not sure if there's mispellings or if I'm just missing something. On that note, what is a "National Controller"? Misspelling or is that a job I'm not familiar with?
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