Pilot dies in flight

[Major Lord]

Not good.

http://wcbstv.com/breakingnewsalerts/continental.pilot.dies.2.1049850.html

Major Lord

[bosshawk]

Deepest condolencses to the Captain's family.  That said, there is a good reason to carry an extra pilot onboard international flights.  If it had been in CONUS, the first officer is perfectly capable of flying and landing the plane.

[N Harmon]

I've always wondered why CAP observers weren't given some basic flying lessons in case they ever found themselves in a similar situation.

[heliodoc]

^^^
Careful

You might get a CAPer talk audience similar to the one about the Colgan flight crew and how bad ALLL those 1000 hour and lower drivers are and have everybody on this forum speak on how bad acclerated training is or might be

But it is REAL GOOD idea for a training session for those all star CAP CFI's to accomplish on a Wing Training budget, huh?

[flynd94]

Well, if you knew anything about FAR Part 121 ops, the over pond flying has an IRO pilot (sometimes 2) on board.  They fly the aircraft during cruise, giving the other pilots a break.


Thread Drift//

Helidoc, why don't you come  to work with me.  Find out how much fun it is to fly with a 1000hr wonder kid.  My job as a CA doesn't include being a CFI.  I am supposed to mentor FO's and, have no problem doing that (I actually enjoy showing them tricks of the trade).  I don't get paid to explain how to talk on a radio, how to do a cross wind ldg/to. 

[heliodoc]

Love to Keith

I HAVE flown with some 1000 hour wonder kids and some 1000 hour CAP flight instructors

Different levels of training AND ATTITUDES

You got my PM ...help me out here..love to know what folks are doing and whatnot...

[a2capt]

Well...

http://flash.aopa.org/asf/pinch_hitter/swf/flash.cfm?

AOPA Pinch Hitter - though observer training exposes the trainee to some more of this than the average person ..

[RiverAux]

There used to be some practical exercises as part of Pinch Hitter.  Not sure if they're still there, but I've long thought that CAP should put an exception to the no-flight-training-for-seniors rule that explicitly authorizes flights for training of non-pilot Observers in CAP aircraft as part of the Pinch Hitter course. 

Think I pushed it up the chain at one point and the thought was that it MIGHT be ok to do it under current regs, but no one in the leadership was anxious to actually authorize it. 

[lordmonar]

Did the flight land yet?

[DG]

This pilot who died was not flying.

He wasn't even on the flight deck.

[lordmonar]

This pilot who died was not flying.

He wasn't even on the flight deck.

according to the new article.....he was the captain and was in the cockpit at the time.

[DG]

This pilot who died was not flying.

He wasn't even on the flight deck.

according to the new article.....he was the captain and was in the cockpit at the time.

Either the news is reporting it wrong,

Or my source, an insider at Continental in Newark, was misinformed.

Pilot was on rest cycle in sleeping berth.  When they went to wake him for his next duty, there was no response.

[RiverAux]

I just took the AOPA's pinch hitter course online.  Got to say that the old video was probably better.  Watch that a few times and you really get an idea of what is involved.  The online course left you just a little too detached.  It mentioned a DVD and manual, but I didn't see anywhere to either order or download them. 

[Gunner C]

Our old region CC mandated suggested that we integrate pinch-hitter training into the observer course/currency training. He felt that it was more than justified in the era of the "silver hair patrol", feeling that one day one of our geriatric pilots was going to check out during a flight.

Generally speaking, the pilots were very supportive of this. The wing CC immediately hauled off and ignored it.

[flynd94]

This pilot who died was not flying.

He wasn't even on the flight deck.

according to the new article.....he was the captain and was in the cockpit at the time.

Either the news is reporting it wrong,

Or my source, an insider at Continental in Newark, was misinformed.

Pilot was on rest cycle in sleeping berth.  When they went to wake him for his next duty, there was no response.

Your source was wrong, he was in the cockpit when he passed away.  My sources are from CAL Alpa.  FO thought he accidentally dozed off, went to wake him... well you know the rest of the story.

[DG]

You mean the CAL Alpa FlyerTalk Forum?

That's like CAPTalk.

[PHall]

Sounds like the "work-rest plan" we used in the C-141 when we were flying with an "augmented" crew and had three pilots on-board.

One pilot in the bunk.
One pilot in the seat flying the jet.
One pilot in the other seat with the seat back taking a nap.

So the other pilots thinking that he had dozed off does not sound unusual.

[DG]

Sounds like the "work-rest plan" we used in the C-141 when we were flying with an "augmented" crew and had three pilots on-board.

One pilot in the bunk.
One pilot in the seat flying the jet.
One pilot in the other seat with the seat back taking a nap.

So the other pilots thinking that he had dozed off does not sound unusual.

Exactly that.

[flynd94]

You mean the CAL Alpa FlyerTalk Forum?

That's like CAPTalk.

No, I am furloughed from Express Jet (Continental Express).  The info was posted on CalForums & ExpressJet Forums in the restricted section.  I also got a blastmail from CAL Alpa and Xjet Alpa.  I trust my sources more than you, considering I used to work there.

[flynd94]

Sounds like the "work-rest plan" we used in the C-141 when we were flying with an "augmented" crew and had three pilots on-board.

One pilot in the bunk.
One pilot in the seat flying the jet.
One pilot in the other seat with the seat back taking a nap.

So the other pilots thinking that he had dozed off does not sound unusual.

Exactly that.

Except that the pilots on the flight deck aren't allowed to sleep according to the FAR's.