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Started by Senior, June 02, 2009, 12:08:18 AM

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Senior

Do you have to complete ICS 100 and 700 before you can attend a  SAREX?  I was told this is a new requirement to
attend training events not actual missions. ???

Short Field

No.  GES is the only qualification required to attend a SAR or a SAREX.  Without GES, you are not suppose to be at the location.  GES training authorizes members to attend missions, observe activities and perform administrative and general operations support tasks under the direction of qualified staff personnel. 

ICS 100 & 700 are the absolute minimum required to train for any other Ops Qualification and that is just for Transport Mission Pilot.  Most Ops Quals require at least the Basic Comm Users Training and the appropriate CAPT 117 course.  CAPT 117 pt 1 is required for Ground Teams, pt 2 is required for Aircrews, and pt 3 is requried for Mission Base.
SAR/DR MP, ARCHOP, AOBD, GTM1, GBD, LSC, FASC, LO, PIO, MSO(T), & IC2
Wilson #2640

Al Sayre

So to sum it up:

Officially,you can come to the SAREX with only GES.

Reality: All you will be allowed to do is sit in a folding chair in an out of the way place until you complete 100 and 700 or the coffee maker is empty again.
Lt Col Al Sayre
MS Wing Staff Dude
Admiral, Great Navy of the State of Nebraska
GRW #2787

CAPSGT

IS-100 is a required portion of the 116 Test (ref CAPR 60-3 2-3a) for true completion of GES.  There used to be a part 2 of the 116 test that was considered equivelant, but since all are required to complete IS-100 & 700 for any other ratings now, they got rid of the part 2 of the exam and are directing everyone to take the IS-100 instead.

The only thing that at all alleviates this requirement is the CAP/CC letter dated 10 April 2008 which mandates NIMS/ICS training for other specialties.  The attached chart does not list any courses as required.

Since 60-3 is the controlling regulation and it does have a requirement for it, I would play it safe by going with the strictest rules and say IS-100 is required before attending a SAREX at all, but IS-700 is not.
MICHAEL A. CROCKETT, Lt Col, CAP
Assistant Communications Officer, Wicomico Composite Squadron

IceNine

Take the hour and get the test out of the way.

Sympathy can be found in the dictionary.
"All of the true things that I am about to tell you are shameless lies"

Book of Bokonon
Chapter 4

Short Field

Quote from: Al Sayre on June 02, 2009, 11:51:49 AM
Reality: All you will be allowed to do is sit in a folding chair in an out of the way place until you complete 100 and 700 or the coffee maker is empty again.

Not true - you can be assigned any duty as long as you are under proper supervision.  However - you will not be in a "training" status - so you get no credit for being trained.  You will just be assisting another person.   You could update a status board, sign in people, drive people around the airfield, go for donuts, and make sure the coffee maker DOES NOT GET EMPTY. 
SAR/DR MP, ARCHOP, AOBD, GTM1, GBD, LSC, FASC, LO, PIO, MSO(T), & IC2
Wilson #2640

flyguync

Why not just go ahead and take a cople of hours out of your life and complete the ICS courses and be done with it.

I have my new potential members do the ICS during their 3 week trial period and that really shows whos going to be a good go getting member or who needs to re-evaluate their joining of CAP. Once they get on the books they take the ES test, ES CE 1,2,&3, and SET. then its done no need to worry with it.

Short Field

The 10 Apr 2008 either changed the 60-3 requirements or it didn't change them.  If it didn't change them, then there is no reason for ICs, AOBDs, PSCs, LSCs, FASCs, IOs, MSOs, LOs, CULs, and OSCs to worry about taking ICS 300.  If it did change the requirements, then ICS 100 is no longer required for GES.  You can't say it only applys to some Ops Quals and not all of the Ops Quals.

I try to push the new members into completing CAPT 116; CAPT 117 parts 1, 2, & 3; ICS 100, 200, 700 & 800 as soon as possible.  Once you start, it is best to just keep plugging on and finish them all.
SAR/DR MP, ARCHOP, AOBD, GTM1, GBD, LSC, FASC, LO, PIO, MSO(T), & IC2
Wilson #2640

Phil Hirons, Jr.

Quote from: Short Field on June 03, 2009, 07:04:16 PM
The 10 Apr 2008 either changed the 60-3 requirements or it didn't change them.  If it didn't change them, then there is no reason for ICs, AOBDs, PSCs, LSCs, FASCs, IOs, MSOs, LOs, CULs, and OSCs to worry about taking ICS 300.  If it did change the requirements, then ICS 100 is no longer required for GES.  You can't say it only applys to some Ops Quals and not all of the Ops Quals.

I try to push the new members into completing CAPT 116; CAPT 117 parts 1, 2, & 3; ICS 100, 200, 700 & 800 as soon as possible.  Once you start, it is best to just keep plugging on and finish them all.

Clearly e-Services thinks the requirements changed. If you are missing IS/ICS entries then on about 1 Jan 2009 your ratings went into suspended mode.

They all cover similar ideas and 200 builds on 100, 800 on 700.

Short Field

The Ops Quals Module of eServices is probably the best source of requirements.  I have seen errors in the past but they do response to fix them when you identify them.  Anyway, they respond a lot faster than the regs get corrected.   :D
SAR/DR MP, ARCHOP, AOBD, GTM1, GBD, LSC, FASC, LO, PIO, MSO(T), & IC2
Wilson #2640

Always Ready

Quote from: Short Field on June 03, 2009, 09:25:25 PM
The Ops Quals Module of eServices is probably the best source of requirements.  I have seen errors in the past but they do response to fix them when you identify them.  Anyway, they respond a lot faster than the regs get corrected.   :D

No doubt. The Ops Quals Module is what I generally use. It's more up to date than the regular SQTRs. But, I've ran into situations where people don't accept the SQTR printed from eServices. They want these SQTRs (link). It just depends on your area and who you are dealing with.

Short Field

Some people still refuse to learn how to use eServices.   We have one Admin officer in our squadron who uses a typewritter for everything instead of one of the 21 computers the squadron owns.  Some of the forms start to look fairly rough as it is 50th plus generation copy instead of printing a fresh one off the computer each time.
SAR/DR MP, ARCHOP, AOBD, GTM1, GBD, LSC, FASC, LO, PIO, MSO(T), & IC2
Wilson #2640

Senior

Thanks for the update.  It seems like the requirements for
SAR change by the week.  I have been out of the loop for
a time so I wanted quick answers from those who are more
up to date on such matters.  I was also getting answers for
cadets in my squadron, so they could advance. 

As for sympathy....situational awareness is important also. 
Especially when you add the above information to my question.  I wanted a quick answer to a simple question.
I hope your situational awareness is working...Ice

BrandonKea

Quote from: Short Field on June 03, 2009, 11:03:49 PM
Some people still refuse to learn how to use eServices.   We have one Admin officer in our squadron who uses a typewritter for everything instead of one of the 21 computers the squadron owns.  Some of the forms start to look fairly rough as it is 50th plus generation copy instead of printing a fresh one off the computer each time.

What's a typewriter?  :D jk
Brandon Kea, Capt, CAP

Short Field

Quote from: BrandonKea on June 04, 2009, 02:34:42 AM
What's a typewriter?  :D jk

You are probably one of the kids who never learned to type.  What is it they teach today?  Keyboarding?    ;)

SAR/DR MP, ARCHOP, AOBD, GTM1, GBD, LSC, FASC, LO, PIO, MSO(T), & IC2
Wilson #2640

BrandonKea

Quote from: Short Field on June 04, 2009, 04:02:42 AM
Quote from: BrandonKea on June 04, 2009, 02:34:42 AM
What's a typewriter?  :D jk

You are probably one of the kids who never learned to type.  What is it they teach today?  Keyboarding?    ;)

I came in right on the cusp of keyboarding. I remember being taught typing in Kindergarten (wayyy back in '92-'93).

I also had a typewriter at home that my parents had from "back in the day." That was always fun to play with, but I never had any real use for it...
Brandon Kea, Capt, CAP

Rotorhead

Quote from: IceNine on June 03, 2009, 05:08:13 PM
Take the hour and get the test out of the way.

Sympathy can be found in the dictionary.

Agreed. IS-100, 200, 700 and 800 are available online.

Do them once and you're done.
Capt. Scott Orr, CAP
Deputy Commander/Cadets
Prescott Composite Sqdn. 206
Prescott, AZ

wacapgh

And in many wings, there are State/Local mandated training requirements for anyone participating in ES/SAR. Completion of IS-100 and 700 are almost always part of them.