Equal Opportunity Briefing

Grumpy · March 24, 2009, 04:01:40 PM

I remember seeing a notice in eservices news about a mandatory briefing on Nondiscrimination (Equal Opportunity). Something to the the affect that you had to read it prior to a certain date and then answer yes or no as to your supporting it. It indicated that if you disagreed, your records would be flagged.

Does anyone else remember the letter and, if so, where can I find it? I think I've exhausted all avenues trying to locate that letter and I want to get my people briefed.

Thanks

davidsinn · March 24, 2009, 04:04:04 PM

https://tests.cap.af.mil/EO_Training/Index.cfm

Grumpy · March 24, 2009, 05:01:48 PM

Thank you. I have the link. What I'm looking for is the letter from Gen Courtier.

SoCalCAPOfficer · March 24, 2009, 11:09:47 PM

I am curious as to where you read the records are flagged if they disagree?

Short Field · March 25, 2009, 02:41:24 AM

First discussion of this was here: http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=7102.0

Follow-on discussions were here: http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=7138.0

I am not aware of a letter from National on the requirement. It could have went to the Regions/Wings and then on down the chain but I don't remember seeing anything about it.

Grumpy · March 25, 2009, 07:57:29 AM

Quote from: SoCalCAPOfficer on March 24, 2009, 11:09:47 PM
I am curious as to where you read the records are flagged if they disagree?

I may have remembered wrong, I've done that in the past. If the letter doesn't say indicate that then please excuse the error and accept my apology. However, there was a letter because that's how I learned about the requirement to take the briefing in the first place.

swamprat86 · March 25, 2009, 11:41:12 AM

There was a letter on eServices with the release of the regulation change. The problem is that it wasn't released down the chain. My Wing CC didn't hear about it until I mentioned it to him after it was brought up here.

To date, I still do not think that he has received any formal action from above although he has directed the wing to comply.

Grumpy · March 25, 2009, 04:34:13 PM

Quote from: swamprat86 on March 25, 2009, 11:41:12 AM
There was a letter on eServices with the release of the regulation change. The problem is that it wasn't released down the chain. My Wing CC didn't hear about it until I mentioned it to him after it was brought up here.

To date, I still do not think that he has received any formal action from above although he has directed the wing to comply.

I THINK there was a due date (get-er done or else). All I'm doing is using the letter as a little more leverage, if you know what I mean? I have 37 people that have to complete it and 2 have responded. Gotta kick 'em in the butt to get their attention.

Turtle1 · March 25, 2009, 04:55:02 PM

Our wing has required all members to complete the EO training by 30 April. New members to CAP will complete their training as part of Level !.

EMT-83 · March 25, 2009, 05:00:44 PM

RiverAux posted the letter here:

http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=7138.20

CAPcadet902 · March 31, 2009, 02:05:56 AM

Another stupid policy of NHQ

jimmydeanno · March 31, 2009, 02:08:59 AM

Quote from: CAPcadet902 on March 31, 2009, 02:05:56 AM
Another stupid policy of NHQ

Hi, welcome to CAPTalk.

heliodoc · March 31, 2009, 03:12:31 AM

Cadet 902

Welcome!! And welcome the world of organizations and government

This will prepare u for the Real Military ,also. You'll see uniform policy and som other wonderful CAP policy that will either make no sense or contradict itself

So u have identified what has been going in the real military and government for the last 16+ years and the EO occurs once a year, every year at the Federal and military level

CAP is copying the real world cuz their lawyers are pretty active in finding things "new" to do....

flyguy06 · April 02, 2009, 10:53:46 PM

Quote from: heliodoc on March 31, 2009, 03:12:31 AM
Cadet 902

Welcome!! And welcome the world of organizations and government

This will prepare u for the Real Military ,also. You'll see uniform policy and som other wonderful CAP policy that will either make no sense or contradict itself

So u have identified what has been going in the real military and government for the last 16+ years and the EO occurs once a year, every year at the Federal and military level

CAP is copying the real world cuz their lawyers are pretty active in finding things "new" to do....

Wow. What an excellent role model you are telling a young cadet about how frivilous EO briefings are. ell him they arent important and they mean nothing. thats just great.

As an officer in the military, I would never tell a young soldier such a thing. First of all, i dont believe that to be the case and secondly it undermines the authority of my higher ups. As an officer, I have to represent thehigher ups all the way up to the CinC So if he puts out a policy it doesnt matter if Iagree with it or not, I have to folow it and promote it to my subordinates.

i am sorry the young cadets feels knowing about equal opportunities is a stupid policy. That is unfortunante. If he only knew the good things policies like this have done and how they have been beneficial to my military and too CAP. If only a senior officer were to explain that too him and be that role model theyare supposed to be. Hmm. but alas, that may never be.

Cecil DP · April 02, 2009, 11:23:08 PM

Quote from: heliodoc on March 31, 2009, 03:12:31 AM
Cadet 902

Welcome!! And welcome the world of organizations and government

This will prepare u for the Real Military ,also. You'll see uniform policy and some other wonderful CAP policy that will either make no sense or contradict itself

So u have identified what has been going in the real military and government for the last 16+ years and the EO occurs once a year, every year at the Federal and military level

CAP is copying the real world cuz their lawyers are pretty active in finding things "new" to do....

The problem is that too many members of CAP have the same attitude about regulations and following them. When CPPT and fingerprinting were introduced CAP had at least one member who decided he didn't have to do it. several months and a few million dollars later CAP had the real reason this "gentleman" refused to engage in the program and was found to have had a history of "boy love" in his past. This was after finding out his love of little boys extended to CAP.
The EEO is a requirement for any and all federally funded programs. Do it or not-Your choice. But be prepared to be eventually restricted in your CAP activities for failing to meet a basic requirement of CAP.

heliodoc · April 03, 2009, 12:45:56 PM

Flyguy

You guys are geting WAY too serious or easily offended

The facts are the facts.. I have been following the RULES as this forum is so hung up about

I have supported EO from the get go and was merely pointing out that this has been going on for YEARS in every agency. I have probably just as many YEARS in Mil and Gov as many here, and I have supported EO far longer than CAP FINALLY getting up to speed in it. SO try not to go after everyone that doesn't exactly SEE things YOUR way. I have supported this far longer than what u have written. CAP has been one of the few non profits that probably was questioned about its support to EO. Why is all of sudden a big deal, eh? CAP needed to get on this train LOOOONG ago

CAP ALWAYS seems to be late in getting to the fire. Where were they when this was all starting up? You got an answer for that? EEO has been a requirement for YEARS and CAP is a johnny come lately to that rule of government. So check the attitudes of the CAP Organization BEFORE you comment on my writings

There ALOT of CAPers that are misinformed about alot of things and you are misinformed about mine

Oh and by the way, sorry cadet, now you can see that anybody with a comment can be trashed on this forum

You seem to have me confused with those folks who haven't followed rules.

But thanks for your check on my attitude

flyguy06 · April 03, 2009, 02:47:17 PM

My issue isnt with your support or non support of EO. Heck, there are many policies in CAP I dont agree with (the lack of dicispline in the cadet program, the whole change the cdetprogramhas went through in the last 15 years, the civilian uniform option for senior members) but I support them none the less and I dont voice my disgruntleness in pubilc in front of cadets.

Although I may agree with policies, I never let that show in front of subordinates.

Remember the movie "Saving Private Ryan" the soldiers asked Tpm hanks if he ever has any complaints about anything. He responded "yes, but I complain up the chain of command, not down it"
Same concept.