State Cuts to Funding CAP Wings Operations

[RADIOMAN015]

Today I noted that Pennsylvania's Governor intends on cutting $492,000.00 in support to PA wing -- which is complete support.  Wondering how many other wings have gotten funding cuts from their respective states?
RM

[davidsinn]

You get that much from PA? I think that's more than INWG's whole budget. As for as I know we don't get anything from the state.

[RiverAux]

According to the 2007 CAP annual report 39 states support CAP operations to the tune of $4 million a year.  PA got $500K in 2007 making it second in state support behind AK ($553K).  9 other wings get $100-325K.  Every wing in NCR gets state support and all but one wing get it in SWR, MER, and NER.  The least supported region is GLR (Only 2/6). 

By the way, this is for state appropriatiations for CAP, not mission-related reimbursement (probably every CAP wing gets a little of that).

[davidsinn]

According to the 2007 CAP annual report 39 states support CAP operations to the tune of $4 million a year.  PA got $500K in 2007 making it second in state support behind AK ($553K).  9 other wings get $100-325K.  Every wing in NCR gets state support and all but one wing get it in SWR, MER, and NER.  The least supported region is GLR (Only 2/6). 

By the way, this is for state appropriatiations for CAP, not mission-related reimbursement (probably every CAP wing gets a little of that).

Could you post the numbers? I've never seen them before.

[RiverAux]

The annual report is on the CAP web page.  Too much stuff for me to input.

[EMT-83]

Connecticut survived the first round of cuts with no loss in funding. It's still early in the budget process, but we're hopeful!

[Major Carrales]

This is what the future would hold is CAP ever was given to the States as some people desire.

I have, as a unit commander, never expect to get a dime from the State of Texas.  Most of what we do have is the result of local CAP giving locally to make the programs work.  If our unit ever got funding, it would be an extra.

Never become accustomed to funding from above.

[flyguync]

Funding from above -- whats thats???

Now I am familiar with the First Bank of My Back Pocket..

[Phil Hirons, Jr.]

RIWG is the 1 in NER with no state $. So I guess we did not get cut  .

[Pylon]

Today I noted that Pennsylvania's Governor intends on cutting $492,000.00 in support to PA wing -- which is complete support.  Wondering how many other wings have gotten funding cuts from their respective states?
RM

Well, now you're pulling in as much as your neighbor wing to the north has for years.

[Flying Pig]

Hmmm, CA still hasnt passed a budget.  Its only 4 months behind.  Republicans want massive spending cuts and the Democrats want $18 billion in new taxes and nobody can agree on anything.  State employees are being involuntarily furloughed, including cops, while they argue and make $200,000 per year.
So I would imagine CAWG hasn't got any money either.  My Sheriff's Dept is telling us each Deputy has to involuntarily furlough 80 hours per year this year because of the budget.

[Major Carrales]

Bank of My Back Pocket..

I have an account there as well.  They a big supporters of the Squadron!!!

[FW]

Today I noted that Pennsylvania's Governor intends on cutting $492,000.00 in support to PA wing -- which is complete support.  Wondering how many other wings have gotten funding cuts from their respective states?
RM

Well, now you're pulling in as much as your neighbor wing to the north has for years.

PAWG gets cut out of the Governor's budget every year.  And, every year it is reinstated by the state legislature.  Hopefully, this year will not be different.

[Hawk200]

Bank of My Back Pocket..

I have an account there as well.  They a big supporters of the Squadron!!!

Me, too. I can think of a few times such a bank has assisted in financing a cadet's encampment, uniforms, or other items.

I get some financing too on occasion.

[John Bryan]

As much as we all love CAP.....how many of us if a Governor would choose funding CAP and cutting other programs in order to keep CAP funded?

If I had to make a choice I would take snow plows and state troopers over CAP.

For the record my state does not fund CAP. Indiana most likely never will because we have an Indiana Constitution that requires a budget balanced*. Our state went broke in the 1830's and when our 2nd and current constitution was written in 1851 it made living within our means are requirement. A lot of great programs don't get funded here but we also are not going broke.

*Article 10, section 5 "No law shall authorize any debt to be contracted, on behalf of the State, except in the following cases: to meet casual deficits in the revenue; to pay the interest on the State Debt; to repel invasion, suppress insurrection, or, if hostilities be threatened, provide for the public defense."


Interesting side note....some of our squadrons have received funding from their township trustees throught their parks and rec budgets for cadet programs and AE. Don't forget local government relations

[Gunner C]

As much as we all love CAP.....how many of us if a Governor would choose funding CAP and cutting other programs in order to keep CAP funded?

If I had to make a choice I would take snow plows and state troopers over CAP.

For the record my state does not fund CAP. Indiana most likely never will because we have an Indiana Constitution that requires a budget balanced*. Our state went broke in the 1830's and when our 2nd and current constitution was written in 1851 it made living within our means are requirement. A lot of great programs don't get funded here but we also are not going broke.

*Article 10, section 5 "No law shall authorize any debt to be contracted, on behalf of the State, except in the following cases: to meet casual deficits in the revenue; to pay the interest on the State Debt; to repel invasion, suppress insurrection, or, if hostilities be threatened, provide for the public defense."


Interesting side note....some of our squadrons have received funding from their township trustees throught their parks and rec budgets for cadet programs and AE. Don't forget local government relations

EVERY state has pet projects that are tucked away in the budget.  They're pork from the word go and don't return much to the citizens.  CAP is extremely cost effective and provides huge bang for every dollar.  I wouldn't compare it to snow plows or sherrifs, but it is better than turnip festivals and changing the "You are entering (fill in the state), Governor Bob Smith - Vote for ME" after each election.

[bosshawk]

Believe it or not, but CAWG only gets either $60k or 80k(I am not sure of the figure) from the state and that is because we have an MOU from OES(now known as CEMA) for the work that we do in trying to run down ELTs.  We do get some sweetheart deals every once in awhile. like the 10 new laptops we got from OES for use on search missions.

Of course, with the current budget debacle, who knows what we will get?

[jimmydeanno]

California?  CAP will probably have to start paying to operate there...unless of course everyone chips in 60% of their paychecks to make up for the budget overruns...

[RiverAux]

Most states have balanced budget amendments in their constitutions or laws, so that isn't really a factor as far as CAP is concerned. 

Quite frankly, the fact that CAP members have to go to the state legislature for support (and many squadrons get support from towns or counties), is a reflection on the Air Force.  This state support basically funds the "overhead" necessary to run CAP so that it can perform missions for the Air Force.  If you think about it, this is the exact opposite of the relationship between the states and the federal government in relation to National Guard funding.