Is Membership Termination Automatic?

[Cecil DP]

Regarding the question of a hit on the background check, CAP gets a letter from the FBI stating what the hit was. If it's a Major felony, sexual, or the like the membership is denied. If it is a minor crime, they will contact the prospective member (Not the unit or the wing) for an explanation. If the explabnation is satisfactory (teenage stupidity along time ago) they will be allowed to become members. Remember, Membership is dependent on the background check.

When the fingerprint program was first initiated, the plan was to have it redone every 5 years. Just to ensure that the problems asked in the original question weren't happening. My opinion is that the re-fingerprinting wasn't done due to the cost.

[RiverAux]

CD applicants aren't given "new" one, per se, its a different agency and a whole lot more detailed (and expensive) than the regular, basic FBI check.

There are recurring checks within the CD program.  Think it is every 4 years. 

[lordmonar]

CD applicants aren't given "new" one, per se, its a different agency and a whole lot more detailed (and expensive) than the regular, basic FBI check.

There are recurring checks within the CD program.  Think it is every 4 years. 

Yes...but I don't think they ever tell us why a CD application was rejected....just that it was rejected.  Also there is no requirement for everyone to submit a CD request.

In the military they get you comming and going.  You must report to your supervision any offenses...so you could get into more trouble for not telling you supervision then you would have gotten for he offense itself.

I heard a story (don't know if it is true or not).  Supposedly an Airman got a 30 day jail term for some fairly minor charge.  Instead of notifiing his leadership of the conviction this guy was going to take 30 days of leave and then try to just skate by.  He got caught when someone checked out his leave address and found out it was the county detention center.

As far as I know....there is NO requirment for a current member to notify CAP of any new offenses.  So if we became aware of conduct that would make us question his membership that did not fall into one of the five catagories in 35-3, we would have to do a formal 2b.

[Ned]

Yup, this is not just a CAP-specific problem.

As a Guard infantry battalion XO, I once got a call from a soldier who needed to be excused from drill for a two months because  he was in state prison finishing a parole violation sentence!

Uncle Sam doesn't routinely re-check anyone either, unless they have a security clearance.

[Stonewall]

Uncle Sam doesn't routinely re-check anyone either, unless they have a security clearance.

Even then it's not that often.  TS is what, 5 years?  Secret, 10? 

I knew a guy that worked as a contractor for an "alphabet" agency in DC who got busted driving on a suspended DL after getting a DUI and had to spend 10 days in jail.  He took vacation and got away with it.  Not sure what happened 2 years later when they went to revalidate his clearance.

[ol'fido]

If you are a squadron cc, exercise due diligence. make sure all the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed on the initial application and that everything looks kosher. If it's not, ask the applicant about it. If youdon't like the answer, put the question to your chain of command and follow their guidance.

For already serving members, if you find out about something, hear about it, or the member comes to you, check the facts as much as you can and refer it to your chain of command. Again, due diligance and documentation are the keys.

[desertengineer1]

Even then it's not that often.  TS is what, 5 years?  Secret, 10? 

I knew a guy that worked as a contractor for an "alphabet" agency in DC who got busted driving on a suspended DL after getting a DUI and had to spend 10 days in jail.  He took vacation and got away with it.  Not sure what happened 2 years later when they went to revalidate his clearance.

If it was not a felony and he was honest about it on the SF86 and the investigator, it's not a problem.  People make mistakes all the time.  99% of clearance denials that I've seen come from the individual trying to hide it - and of course, they find out, and get them for additional conduct findings - but that's another discussion.

That's the reason behind PR's - to catch this kind of thing.  In addition, depending on the service branch, clearance suspensions are required for certain kinds of violations like felonies, more than 1 year in jail for misdemeanors, drug/alchohol incidents, and the like.  In the AF, it is ultimately the unit commander's responsibility.  If this wasn't a felony and he didn't have to do abuse counciling,  no action was required by AFI31-401 or 31-601.

[PHall]

That's the reason behind PR's - to catch this kind of thing.  In addition, depending on the service branch, clearance suspensions are required for certain kinds of violations like felonies, more than 1 year in jail for misdemeanors, drug/alchohol incidents, and the like.  In the AF, it is ultimately the unit commander's responsibility.  If this wasn't a felony and he didn't have to do abuse counciling,  no action was required by AFI31-401 or 31-601.

Actually, the reason for the PR's can be summed up in three words. The Walker Family.

[desertengineer1]

Actually, the reason for the PR's can be summed up in three words. The Walker Family.

I think it's always been around, but the additional financial scrutiny was the result of cases like the Walkers and Hansson.  A LOT of subtle changes were made, down to tightening the investigation methods themselves.  I tell all my initial and PR applicants the same riot act, and even recommend they obtain a copy of their credit and criminal reports to make sure everything is disclosed.  Most listen.  Some blow it off and we end up processing denial appeals.  Security Manager is one of the most frustrating additional duties an officer can have, other than RA.  A unit of over 100 members is pretty much a full time job.

The bottom line for both DoD clearance applicants and new CAP members is to be open up front because they WILL see it.

[PHall]

Before the Walker Family crap you could go a good 10 years or more with a TS clearance before you got a PR. Part of the aftermath was the much more frequent PR's for everybody with a clearance.

This was from the lady from DIS who was doing my PR.

At least when you do the paperwork for a PR you only have to cover the time since your last PR.

[bosshawk]

Just to set the record straight: the CD recertification takes place every four years.  The form goes to our customer agencies(three of them) and each runs the name and SSN against their agency data base and the national data base.  Each or any of them can turn the application down: no reason ever given.  Those of us in the CD program then notify the applicant: no reason given and no appeal.