Defining ES Ops Qualifications

[Short Field]

There is some confusion about the requirements for different Emergency Services qualifications.  For example, some people are getting qualified as a Planning Section Chief without qualifying as a GTM3.  It is embarrasssing when you have to remove a person's qualification.

The problem is we have three sources of data for training requirements:  eServices Ops Quals SQTR, CAPR 60-3, and the appropriate Task Guide (i.e. MBTG, ACFLTG, etc).

The eServices Ops Quals SQTRs appear to be based on the March 2004 version.   The task guides were revised in April 2005.  Some changed and some didn't.

CAPR 60-3 should be the definitive source.  However the age requirement for LSC and FASC is 18 in 60-3 and 21 in the MBTG dated Apr 2005.  The eServices Ops Quals SQTR just says "age check".  When asked, HQCAP stated the age requirement was 21.

The draft CAPR 60-3 removes all the information on qualifications and refers you to the current task guide.

Bottom line:  Don't trust the eServices Ops Quals SQTR - always double check it against CAPR 60-3 and the current task guide.  The task guide is probably going to be the definitive source in the future.

[isuhawkeye]

so, when an outside agency asks a CAP officer what are the requirements for a particular ES function you now have to point them to three different conflicting documents?

way to establish a program

[Short Field]

If an outside agency asked, I would ALWAYS show them the task guides.  They are the ONLY document that defines what each task covers and how to evaluate each task for completion.   Plus showing them a couple of hundred pages of task requirements and descriptions looks more impressive.   Besides, the task guides will be the source once the draft 60-3 is approved.

I would hope the eServices Ops Quals module gets updated at some point to refect the correct SQTR requirments.   By the way, the Ops Quals moduel is mostly correct and a really impressive tool for tracking task completion.  I especially like how it flows the completed task between the different achievements.

[ray]

There is some confusion about the requirements for different Emergency Services qualifications.  For example, some people are getting qualified as a Planning Section Chief without qualifying as a GTM3.  It is embarrasssing when you have to remove a person's qualification.

Where does it say that you have to be a GTM3 to become a PSC?

[Eclipse]

There is some confusion about the requirements for different Emergency Services qualifications.  For example, some people are getting qualified as a Planning Section Chief without qualifying as a GTM3.  It is embarrassing when you have to remove a person's qualification.

Where does it say that you have to be a GTM3 to become a PSC?

Its part of the progression up to GBD for PSC if you go the "ground route".  You had to have been either qualified a/c and AOBD or qualified GT and GBD.

[Short Field]

There is some confusion about the requirements for different Emergency Services qualifications.  For example, some people are getting qualified as a Planning Section Chief without qualifying as a GTM3.  It is embarrasssing when you have to remove a person's qualification.

Where does it say that you have to be a GTM3 to become a PSC?

You are right - you can be either a ground team member or a Urban DF team member.  I keep forgetting the UDF part.  I don't know how you can be a GTM2 or 1 without being a GTM3.

Mission Base Task Guide, 11 Apr 2005.  SQTR for PSC on page 157.  SQTR is dated Apr 2005.

eServices Ops Quals Module SQTR for PSC is dated Mar 2004.

[Short Field]

For PSC, if you go the ground route as a GBD, you must have been a qualified mission scanner at one time.  If you do the AOBD route, you must have been a qualified ground team member or UDF team member at one time.