Nomex Nails It

[Nomex Maximus]

Spot landing competition, New Hudson, MI. I landed exactly on the spot... unfortuantely, it was my practice landing. The two for credit weren't as close.

[SarDragon]

Isn't that kind of activity proscribed by CAPR 60-1?

2-4. Prohibited Uses of CAP Aircraft. The following uses of CAP aircraft are prohibited:

e. Flying in air shows unless authorized in writing by the Executive Director.

m. Any activity for hire, lease, rent, profit or reward, except that CAP corporate aircraft may be furnished to CAP-USAF liaison offices and State Directors under government contract.

[Nomex Maximus]

Well... it was a funded AF training mission...

[SarDragon]

Well... it was a funded AF training mission...

I fail to see the applicability of the intent of the contest to real-life CAP flying. Sound to me like someone got really loose with rule enforcement.

[CFI_Ed]

Well... it was a funded AF training mission...

I fail to see the applicability of the intent of the contest to real-life CAP flying. Sound to me like someone got really loose with rule enforcement.

The Spot Landing competition has been a standard in the SWR SAREVALs for quite sometime now.  It's to demonstrate pilot and crew coordination - the crew determines the exact landing time and transmits that to the AF team monitoring runway, and then the pilot executes the spot landing.   Real life flying calls for the aircrew to land where they want, not where the aircraft winds up.

[SarDragon]

OK, learned something. ISTR seeing other discussion of such contests, and the rules against them, but if it's a part of a funded exercise, who am I to complain?

[Eclipse]

OK, learned something. ISTR seeing other discussion of such contests, and the rules against them, but if it's a part of a funded exercise, who am I to complain?

..you're a member, that's enough.

If you see someone doing something which is against the letter or spirit of a regulation, especially where safety is a factor, you should speak up. 

I would have.

[RiverAux]

The rule is against flying in an airshow.  A contest like this isn't an airshow necessarily. 

[star1151]

Maybe it was the "m. Any activity for hire, lease, rent, profit or reward" he had a problem with, since competition implies reward?

[Eclipse]

Postive, well-intentioned experience or not, this IMHO, falls into the space between:

"Watch this..."

and

"It seemed like a good idea at the time..."

Usually anything that falls in between the above is hard to defend in a hearing room.

[SarDragon]

Maybe it was the "m. Any activity for hire, lease, rent, profit or reward" he had a problem with, since competition implies reward?

Thank you. Someone else noticed that.

[floridacyclist]

Under your interpretation of M., it seems that ribbons given for finds, saves, and flying cadets around would be verboten as well. I'm pretty sure they are referring to monetary rewards.

[star1151]

Under your interpretation of M., it seems that ribbons given for finds, saves, and flying cadets around would be verboten as well. I'm pretty sure they are referring to monetary rewards.

Nah, I think that falls under "except that CAP corporate aircraft may be furnished to CAP-USAF liaison offices and State Directors under government contract."

(What can I say, I'm a CFI....interpreting regulations is a hobby)

[Monty]

Did somebody just mentions ribbons again?

Gosh, I think some of the most well-intentioned people can be found around many of these CAP forum boards, but must every situation seemingly devolve into a uniforms discussion?

Not a barb, merely a point of interest to ensure that outsiders don't think that uniforms and trinkets are the heart of our matters and our organization.

[Pylon]

Did somebody just mentions ribbons again?

Gosh, I think some of the most well-intentioned people can be found around many of these CAP forum boards, but must every situation seemingly devolve into a uniforms discussion?

Not a barb, merely a point of interest to ensure that outsiders don't think that uniforms and trinkets are the heart of our matters and our organization.

Great point Monty!  I'm going to recommend you for a ribbon for that....   

[Nomex Maximus]

This thread has drifted and needs to be immediately locked.

[♠SARKID♠]

This thread has drifted and needs to be immediately locked.

Well before that happens, congratulations Nomex! I'm glad we have skilled pilots like yourself in our ranks!

[flynd94]

folks, you all need to loosen up and, remove the stick from your arse.  Last time I flew a CD mission in CAWG, my cohort (CAWG/DOV) and, I had a contest.  We alternated who was PIC and, had a landing contest.  Pick a point on the runway and, hit it.  No dragging it in, flying a normal pattern.  It happens all the time. 

Darn, I think all you want to do is take the fun out of CAP!!!!!

KS

PS-maybe I should turn in my wings and check pilot status

[floridacyclist]

Congrats Nomex....that took skill which we should all be in constant pursuit of.

[Nomex Maximus]

Might be the last time I fly until spring... weather in MI becomes almost non-stop low overcast / rain / snow for weeks on end and I am not yet instrument rated.