National Commander Suspended

[Walkman]

I'll say one thing, even as a n00b to CAP, this incident is certainly keeping me from getting any work done today...

[davedove]

At this point, he should resign from his position as National Commander.  Whether he did it or not, he should be big enough to realize how badly this will reflect on
CAP and take the high road.

He could even say something like:  "I maintain my innocence concerning the incident in question.  However, because it is interfering with the smooth operation of the Civil Air Patrol, I hereby step down from command."

[mikeylikey]

^agreed

[Hawk200]

At this point, he should resign from his position as National Commander.  Whether he did it or not, he should be big enough to realize how badly this will reflect on
CAP and take the high road.

He could even say something like:  "I maintain my innocence concerning the incident in question.  However, because it is interfering with the smooth operation of the Civil Air Patrol, I hereby step down from command."

Which would put him in a better position to say "Hey, I was innocent, but I did it for the good of the organization!" if they find him innocent. Would make him look better. Lot easier to get people on your side when you can show you're the victim.

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He'll never resign.  he's sought the power and now that he's got it he won't give it up easily.  they'll have to vote to remove him.  and even those who are "loyal" to him will see that what he's doing will reflect badly on us and they'll vote to remove him.

[Al Sayre]

At this point, I wouldn't be suprised to tune in CNN and see someone leaving the convention in handcuffs courtesy of Atlanta PD for trespassing... While providing interesting drama, this is definitely becoming a major embarassment no matter which side of the fence you are on.

[jimmydeanno]

NEWS FLASH:  Congress declares trade embargo against the Civil Air Patrol.  The CIA initiated coup has failed miserably.

"The National Commander's body guards were just too much...," one operative reports.

In retaliation, the National Commander threatens to unleash Archer upon innocent civlians, and without approval from the National Board, promotes himself to Supreme Allied Commander of the Brazilian and US Civil Air Patrol's.

[JC004]

NEWS FLASH:  Congress declares trade embargo against the Civil Air Patrol.  The CIA initiated coup has failed miserably.

"The National Commander's body guards were just too much...," one operative reports.

In retaliation, the National Commander threatens to unleash Archer upon innocent civlians, and without approval from the National Board, promotes himself to Supreme Allied Commander of the Brazilian and US Civil Air Patrol's.

lol   

[Al Sayre]

Keyboard.

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NEWS FLASH:  Congress declares trade embargo against the Civil Air Patrol.  The CIA initiated coup has failed miserably.

"The National Commander's body guards were just too much...," one operative reports.

In retaliation, the National Commander threatens to unleash Archer upon innocent civlians, and without approval from the National Board, promotes himself to Supreme Allied Commander of the Brazilian and US Civil Air Patrol's.

I knew he had other plans for us.

[ColonelJack]

All kidding aside (and that was pretty darned good, jimmydeano), there is going to be a major PR hit for CAP no matter which way this goes.

General Pineda was correct in what he said regarding the CAP Constitution, except for one thing -- the article quoted only describes removal of the National CC.  It does not address suspension of the CC, except parenthetically.  There was nothing in the article as I read it that expressly reserves the right of membership suspension to the National Board.

Besides which, if he'd looked a little farther, he'd have seen that the Board of Governors is the ultimate control body of CAP, as anything that's passed by the NB or NEC has to be approved by them as well.  I think the BoG was within its rights to suspend the general -- and he just had a major hissy-fit about it and reacted.

If he shows up in Atlanta and tries to attend the meeting, will he indeed be escorted out of the facility?  There's no way in hell the NB will allow him to preside over the meeting, is there?  With the cloud of suspicion and taint hanging over him?  This would make Barry Bonds seem squeaky-clean.

There are two ways this can go -- Gen. Pineda does the intelligent thing and at least stands aside (or, better, steps down), or he tries to wrest control of the meeting and shows what he is really all about.

As if we didn't all know already.

Jack

[RiverAux]

But, I don't see anywhere in the CAP regulations regarding membership termination or suspension where it gives BoG authority to suspend the National Commander either....There does seem to be a hole in our regulatory fabric that he just might sqeeze through...  See CAPR 35-1 (6) for suspension procedures...it doesn't say who can suspend the national commander.

[ELTHunter]

This is making CAP look like a freaking banana republic.  He very obviously has no regard for what id best for the organization or he would either (1) resign if the allegations are true, or (2) obey the suspension and use whatever means are available to him under the regs in a non-public way.

[West_Coast_Guy]

MG Pineda's message to the National Board says the BoG doesn't have authority to remove him as national commander, but it seems to me one of the official emails that I saw yesterday said that he was NOT being removed from office. The news release on the NHQ Web site says his CAP membership is suspended, so maybe people are talking apples and oranges here.

Pineda's email cited Article V of the CAP Constitution and Bylaws, which is available through the NHQ Web site for those who wish to try to decipher it.

http://level2.cap.gov/documents/u_111303084248.pdf

At first glance, the language on the BoG's authority vs. the specific authority assigned to the National Board seems contradictory.

[Chaplaindon]

I am not sure that the issue should be viewed as the removal or suspension of the National Commander, rather the suspension of a MEMBER.

Hypothetically, if a member (coincidentally, the Nat'l CC) was caught in the commission of a felony and plead guilty to the charge, wouldn't her/his membership be terminated regardless of position held?

I think this should be no different than ANY member being suspended pending an investigation.

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I am not sure that the issue should be viewed as the removal or suspension of the National Commander, rather the suspension of a MEMBER.

Hypothetically, if a member (coincidentally, the Nat'l CC) was caught in the commission of a felony and plead guilty to the charge, wouldn't her/his membership be terminated regardless of position held?

I think this should be no different than ANY member being suspended pending an investigation.

Well said! 

[a2capt]

What about the removal of Wing commanders? Is that not a Region Commander duty?

Tit for Tat? Was this allowed? Does the Wing, or Region commander handle Unit CC's, where there are Group CC's in the chain?

I suppose.. the National could lean on Region .. but.. these firings are very similar.

The whole thing is just a major distraction.

If any one of us sent out such an email via our wing distribution you can bet we'd be facing consequences.

Makes me wonder what heat the Wing CC's that were placed by TP are going to have to face.. certainly there is a lot of animosity in the wind, feelings of cronyism, etc..

A big, BIG, uphill battle..  

Nope, something's not right. ..and it's starting from the top.

You have to set an example, and keeping from controversy is one of them. Sure, there's cranks out there that level accusations, but there sure seems to be an awful lot of stuff being leveled here. From all kinds of directions. Really, really hard to ignore. The Board of Governors decided something had to happen, they returned faith in the system. Lets see what happens next. Does the faith reign? ..or will the now seemingly renegade National CC get his reign?

[Major Lord]

This will be epic,  

Red Sox vs. Yankees
Luke vs Darth Vader

now

MG Pinede vs BoG & National Board

More Like Lord Voldemort and the Death Eaters vs Harry Potter...

[RiverAux]

Now, you could say that the constutional clause on removal of the national commander can be used as a suspension since a supension is just a TEMPORARY removal from office.  But, even if that is the case, it doesn't give the BoG authority to suspend the National Commander.

[0]

This will be epic,  

Red Sox vs. Yankees
Luke vs Darth Vader

now

MG Pinede vs BoG & National Board

More Like Lord Voldemort and the Death Eaters vs Harry Potter...

That too.