Started by Jester, May 11, 2020, 10:22:04 pm
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Quote from: Eclipse on May 11, 2020, 10:36:51 pmYes. I would argue it should be required to participate as a student within the first calendar year of cadet membership.
Quote from: Ned on May 12, 2020, 04:45:56 amI also support programming a new cadet into encampment attendance based on join date, preferably during the first year of membership. There are a lot of good cogent reasons why it is probably a good idea.Most importantly, it would increase retention. Encampment has always had a strong correlation with renewal. Programming attendance would be a powerful management tool for the wing. They would know how many student beds are required to meet the mission and can plan accordingly much sooner than a demand-based model permits. In the event that a wing has a hard cap on beds, it would allow Region to coordinate pour over into another encampment. At my level, it would allow significant refinement of CEAP and other federal funding. Our AF colleagues would appreciate it. But then sometimes it feels like they would like us to lock in final numbers five years out.My vision has been that new cadets would receive a message from General Smith to the effect of "Greetings, and congratulations on accepting the challenge of cadet membership. You are ordered to attend The [Your Wing] encampment on [dates] at [Location]. In the event of a schedule conflict, work through your chain to arrange an alternate date or location. You are in for the a Time of Your Life".There are downsides, of course. As others have mentioned, it would accelerate uniform and related costs that might otherwise be spread over another year.Given a spring or summer join date, it may not even be possible to get a cadet through the Curry in time to attend encampment during her/his first summer.Others also mentioned the flip side of the retention issue: we would almost certainly need to figure out a way to substantially increase the number of student beds. Either larger or more encampments. Which is resource intensive both in terms of funds, but perhaps more importantly, CP officer volunteers serving as cadre. Money may be fixable with AF help, but more senior member volunteers is likely a potential show-stopper in the short to medium run. Say 2-3 years to recruit and train. Accordingly, my take is that the SM CP officer shortage is the biggest constraint to universal first year encampment attendance. But it sure would be nice to think about.
Quote from: 1st Lt Thompson on May 12, 2020, 01:27:52 pmI read "order" more as symbolic than actually being ordered to attend. Receiving orders from NHQ/CC would be like getting your Hogwarts letter. If a CC knew a Cadet was interested in attending another Wing's encampment, there should be a way to submit their info to that Wing for planning purposes, and then their "Official Orders" from the General would have that Wing's encampment listed.
Quote from: Eclipse on May 12, 2020, 05:30:55 pm1 - Encampment tourism should be reduced or eliminated, not expanded. It's one of the reasons activities have issues getting qualified cadets.Within the same Region, within a 2-3 hours drive is one thing, but this nonsense of cadets driving, or worse flying, all over the country for an encampment is ridiculous, counterproductive, and increases the stress on the already (generally) short-handed adult staff, not to mention raising the ORM numbersfor the participants. (I totally realize this is a hard-fast tradition for CAP cadets - that doesn't make it a good idea for them, CAP, or their peers.)
Quote from: etodd on May 12, 2020, 06:46:23 pmI'm hearing lots of talk of Cadets not participating at virtual squadron meetings and many Cadets getting interested in other groups/activities/sports/etc ... to the point once NATCAP opens us back up ... talk of encampments will be moot for a couple years or more, as we seek out new members to rebuild this organization. Not sure NATCAP releases the numbers, but its going to be interesting to see how many members do not renew over the next few months.Retention and recruitment will (does) need to be "the discussion". Encampment issues can come later. (Much later if I'm correct.)
QuoteYou literally have zero experience in this lane and NO IDEA what you are talking about.
Quote from: Ned on May 12, 2020, 06:38:19 pmMaybe encampment commanders favor success at their activities over the good of the program as a whole.
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