May 30, 2020, 02:53:45 am

Virtual training

Started by exarmyguard, May 09, 2020, 05:46:30 pm

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arajca

Quote from: etodd on May 11, 2020, 12:24:59 amAs for "checking off tasks" .... as a sUAS Check Pilot, when someone shows up for actual flight training and shows me their SQTR Worksheet all filled out, I will at least know they have been exposed to everything ... but its a trust but verify situation. I will go back over the SQTR and more to make sure they actually know their stuff, before I sign them off as a Technician or Mission Pilot.

Again ... its just like the airplane side of CAP ... just a smaller aircraft. :)
So, you don't trust any other SETs and you're adding stuff to the standardized evaluation.

etodd

Quote from: arajca on May 11, 2020, 12:46:45 am
Quote from: etodd on May 11, 2020, 12:24:59 amAs for "checking off tasks" .... as a sUAS Check Pilot, when someone shows up for actual flight training and shows me their SQTR Worksheet all filled out, I will at least know they have been exposed to everything ... but its a trust but verify situation. I will go back over the SQTR and more to make sure they actually know their stuff, before I sign them off as a Technician or Mission Pilot.

Again ... its just like the airplane side of CAP ... just a smaller aircraft. :)
So, you don't trust any other SETs and you're adding stuff to the standardized evaluation.

Nah, you're looking for something not there.  I was responding to those who talk of things getting "signed off" just because they watched a Zoom presentation. Yes, if a SET signs off a task just because they attended, I will ask a few questions to make sure they know it.

The more ... would be the additional items on the F91u.

Again, just like the Cessna aircraft side.  I've had Check Pilots giving me an F91 in a Cessna ask me lots of things already signed off by another SET on the SQTR.  I look at it as a good thing. Don't you?
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PHall

Quote from: JohhnyD on May 10, 2020, 11:16:15 pm
Quote from: Eclipse on May 10, 2020, 08:22:09 pm
Quote from: JohhnyD on May 10, 2020, 12:03:28 pm
Quote from: Spam on May 09, 2020, 10:55:20 pmAlso dont use Zoom.

;D
Don't use FREE Zoom. The paid version has great security.

Where did you get this idea?
My own research and that of my IT team. People paid to have opinions on this stuff, as opposed to old curmedgeons on internet bulletin boars maybe?

He works for the Department of Defense, they have an IT department too and their Cyber folks said don't use it period because there are security vulnerabilities.

etodd

Too late. Zoom has already been made commonplace in CAP. Countless Squadrons using it for meetings and people using it for training.

Maybe they'll all get viruses and bugs and spam. Then y'all can stand proudly and say "We told you so!"

Until then ... it's all falling on deaf ears. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Eclipse

Quote from: etodd on May 11, 2020, 12:24:59 amI will go back over the SQTR and more to make sure they actually know their stuff, before I sign them off as a Technician or Mission Pilot.

Again ... its just like the airplane side of CAP ... just a smaller aircraft. :)
Quote from: PHall on May 11, 2020, 02:07:37 am
Quote from: JohhnyD on May 10, 2020, 11:16:15 pm
Quote from: Eclipse on May 10, 2020, 08:22:09 pm
Quote from: JohhnyD on May 10, 2020, 12:03:28 pm
Quote from: Spam on May 09, 2020, 10:55:20 pmAlso dont use Zoom.

;D
Don't use FREE Zoom. The paid version has great security.

Where did you get this idea?
My own research and that of my IT team. People paid to have opinions on this stuff, as opposed to old curmedgeons on internet bulletin boars maybe?

He works for the Department of Defense, they have an IT department too and their Cyber folks said don't use it period because there are security vulnerabilities.

That's not what he said, and I highly doubt anyone with sense in the DOD is using the
free version of Zoom for business.

I am no fan of Zoom, but there's no difference vulnerability-wise between the paid and the free versions.



Spam

Quote from: JohhnyD on May 10, 2020, 11:16:15 pm
Quote from: Eclipse on May 10, 2020, 08:22:09 pm
Quote from: JohhnyD on May 10, 2020, 12:03:28 pm
Quote from: Spam on May 09, 2020, 10:55:20 pmAlso dont use Zoom.

;D
Don't use FREE Zoom. The paid version has great security.

Where did you get this idea?
My own research and that of my IT team. People paid to have opinions on this stuff, as opposed to old curmedgeons on internet bulletin boars maybe?

I'm younger than you, if your Mitchell was 43 years ago. Not that age matters here, but you brought it up, Non Sequitur.

Spam

Quote from: arajca on May 11, 2020, 12:46:45 am
Quote from: etodd on May 11, 2020, 12:24:59 amAs for "checking off tasks" .... as a sUAS Check Pilot, when someone shows up for actual flight training and shows me their SQTR Worksheet all filled out, I will at least know they have been exposed to everything ... but its a trust but verify situation. I will go back over the SQTR and more to make sure they actually know their stuff, before I sign them off as a Technician or Mission Pilot.

Again ... its just like the airplane side of CAP ... just a smaller aircraft. :)
So, you don't trust any other SETs and you're adding stuff to the standardized evaluation.

Arajca, I'm reading that the same way you have, apparently.

That doesn't necessarily make him wrong, though. I've seen a very few submitted ratings show up at Wing in the DO's inbox with obviously pencil whipped dates for initial quals, and we've seen the occasional CAP news article about some "Ground Team in one weekend" event which immediately makes me reach to suspend some SET designations pending discussions. I've suspended SET designations before; its rare, thankfully, but part of a QC function.

I agree with him on this; any SET designated person who signs off people for being present at training (as opposed to demonstrating knowledge, skills, and abilities per the Task, Condition, and Standard, on an individual basis) needs to have their SET designation pulled, and their trainees need to redo the Task(s).

If we have people doing mass SQTR task sign offs on the basis of participation in an online meeting, thats absolutely non standard and a violation.

V/r
Spam

(see eTodd, I can agree with you)!

Paul Creed III

Quote from: JohhnyD on May 10, 2020, 11:16:15 pm
Quote from: Eclipse on May 10, 2020, 08:22:09 pm
Quote from: JohhnyD on May 10, 2020, 12:03:28 pm
Quote from: Spam on May 09, 2020, 10:55:20 pmAlso dont use Zoom.

;D
Don't use FREE Zoom. The paid version has great security.

Where did you get this idea?
My own research and that of my IT team. People paid to have opinions on this stuff, as opposed to old curmedgeons on internet bulletin boars maybe?

Let's keep this civil please or the thread will be locked.
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National Headquarters Cyber Curriculum Specialist
National Headquarters Photography Working Group

exarmyguard

Hi. Just to bring it back around, would it be a good idea to have a dedicated thread on virtual training opportunities throughout the nation? Thank you.

JohhnyD

Quote from: PHall on May 11, 2020, 02:07:37 amHe works for the Department of Defense, they have an IT department too and their Cyber folks said don't use it period because there are security vulnerabilities.
I get it. If we had security classification issues, I'd agree. We are talking about training on totally non-classified material. There are NO issues with the paid zoom that would preclude use for that purpose.

etodd

Quote from: Spam on May 11, 2020, 12:53:04 pmIf we have people doing mass SQTR task sign offs ...

Also keeping in mind that having a SQTR signed off (whether online or in person) for airplane Mission Pilot or sUAS Mission Pilot doesn't mean squat unto itself. You get no privileges from it. Its not until you work with a Check Pilot getting your F91 or F91u, that you get privileges.  The Check Pilot, in-person eval, is the QC, and the gate-keeper.
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1st Lt Thompson

Quote from: etodd on May 11, 2020, 06:19:49 pm
Quote from: Spam on May 11, 2020, 12:53:04 pmIf we have people doing mass SQTR task sign offs ...

Also keeping in mind that having a SQTR signed off (whether online or in person) for airplane Mission Pilot or sUAS Mission Pilot doesn't mean squat unto itself. You get no privileges from it. Its not until you work with a Check Pilot getting your F91 or F91u, that you get privileges.  The Check Pilot, in-person eval, is the QC, and the gate-keeper.
True, however, if a member shows up for a check ride, and it's obvious to the check pilot they have zero knowledge of the tasks that have been signed off for them, the SET will in most cases lose their SET status, so it's a big risk signing off a member who hasn't demonstrated proficiency in the task. For something with a check ride, the untrained member will never fly without the check pilot's ok. For other quals like ground team, there is no final check and if someone has everything signed off and shows up to two training missions, whether they know the stuff or not they will most likely get the qual, so signing off without verifying proficiency could be dangerous in some cases.
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AirDX

Quote from: Eclipse on May 09, 2020, 05:55:15 pmThis information should be coming down through channels.

Should be, but it's not. CAP Talk is about the only CAP-wide info resource, and even it is spotty, depending on members. I as unit PDO am collecting open-source intel wherever I can.
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exarmyguard

I'm looking for a virtual AP class, if anyone knows of one..

etodd

May 17, 2020, 03:15:40 am #34 Last Edit: May 17, 2020, 03:20:15 am by etodd
Quote from: exarmyguard on May 17, 2020, 01:40:11 amI'm looking for a virtual AP class, if anyone knows of one..

Not yet.  But you can start with the Task Guide.  Do not use the old 2011 outdated one on the CAP website. Not sure why they can't get around to changing it. Use the 'slightly' newer 2014 version here:

https://nesa.cap.gov/media/cms/Mission_Scanner_Task_Guides_Dec14_B_2A7B58F8A1ABB.pdf

Study the guide, then get with a local AP SET, to evaluate you on it and sign off the task items. Then you can get with the SET and a MP to fly your two sorties done.

This is how I've gotten everything you see in my sig.  I don't like waiting for months for 'classes' to open up. Get it done. :)
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Eclipse

Quote from: exarmyguard on May 17, 2020, 01:53:37 pmhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/brandonbusteed/2020/05/16/corporate-education-will-never-return-to-the-classroom/

An interesting read.

Totally agree, and it's not just education, this has forced business, education, and life
into moving in directions it's been pretending to pursue for 20 years.

It's shown that most things people cram themselves into a room for don't actually
require in-face presence, which in turn will fundamentally change those organizations,
and the nature of social interactions permanently.

A lot of companies are discussing having large portions of their corporate work force
never return permanently, which leaves a lot of commercial real estate sitting idle.

I would not want to be in the office rental business in 2021 when those leases come up.



exarmyguard

Again I hope I don't offend nor speak out of turn...

On YouTube, I've seen great videos on a few CAP topics that would make great training videos.

I've wondered why there hasn't been a push to create a body of professionally done training videos for distribution. There could be an exam at the end, maybe have it proctored.

Eclipse

Quote from: exarmyguard on May 17, 2020, 11:34:44 pmI've wondered why there hasn't been a push to create a body of professionally done training videos for distribution. There could be an exam at the end, maybe have it proctored.

Up until 'Ronaworld the tradition in CAP education and training has been in-face, classroom style.

This is as much because of the older curve of the adult membership and the tendency of the esteemed
adult members to cut corners and Parker 51 stuff because "I've been doing this for 30 years, etc."

It's been frustrating to say the least, but to be fair, CAP was never intended to be a correspondence
course either.

The new reality is changing that rapidly.



etodd

Quote from: exarmyguard on May 17, 2020, 11:34:44 pmI've wondered why there hasn't been a push to create a body of professionally done training videos for distribution. There could be an exam at the end, maybe have it proctored.

Yep. I've mentioned that in many threads, or was it FB? IDK.  Professional video production company, good script writers, professional standup and voice-over talent, good graphics/animation creator, etc.

CAP budget for one thing. The other is that CAP has always had this bad habit of wanting to keep most everything in-house.
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