August 14, 2020, 12:29:21 am

Professional Development Changing Again

Started by culpeper, January 31, 2020, 02:53:40 pm

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Ned

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on April 14, 2020, 08:40:42 pmBeing a commander doesn't mean you were a good commander.

Indeed. In CAP, almost half the commanders are below average.

usaf_defender

Does anyone have an official summary if changes or is it still in the works?


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dwb

Tons of info here: https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/members/cap-university/education-and-training

Check out the links under Program Overview for the most salient information.

jb3

Thank for the link. I spent some time going over the material and I'm optimistic about the new program. I also noticed that they are looking for instructors so I suggest that more of us volunteer to instruct rather than criticize the program before it has a chance to succeed.

Hawk200



Quote from: PHall on April 14, 2020, 06:29:20 amNothing says you have to move to wing and do wing stuff only.
I would say the vast majority of wing staff positions in California Wing are filled by people who are doing it IOAD, In Addition to Other Duties. And I've seen this in other wings as well too.
They do their wing job and still participate in the local squadron too.
There's only a few positions like Chief of Staff and Director of Operations and jobs like that that are really "Full Time" positions. The rest are at best part time positions.

You've got a point there.

I've got to admit I am wondering if it can actually be done that way.

Would doing "wing work" for a year be considered valid? As an example, if you're still on a squadron MML, but working at wing count? Would a letter tasking a person to wing for a year be sufficient? Would you have to be in the Wing charter to count?

All things that should be clarified.

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Eclipse

There's no requirement to be assigned to the 001 charter as your primary.

Lots of people do Wing level jobs while still being at lower lever units
that's what sets up a lot of the circle report structures and conflicts of
interest, but regardless, that's the CAP today, not likely to change.



SarDragon

Really, all you need is to be assigned on the appropriate PA, regardless of actual unit assignment. I'm on the wing and group PAs in the Comm section, get to do stuff in each capacity as needed.
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Spam

Quote from: Ned on April 14, 2020, 10:05:03 pm
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on April 14, 2020, 08:40:42 pmBeing a commander doesn't mean you were a good commander.

Indeed. In CAP, almost half the commanders are below average.

I am recurrently surprised at how many people I meet who take that joke as a debate point and start seriously worrying over it, denying it, et cetera.  Which probably proves as a defining point that half of the world population IS over below average intelligence.

Still funny though. I'll take any humor I can get these days.

Cheers
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Spam

Quote from: TheSkyHornet on April 14, 2020, 08:40:42 pm
Quote from: PHall on April 14, 2020, 06:42:03 pm
Quote from: TheSkyHornet on April 14, 2020, 05:01:18 pm
Quote from: Spam on April 14, 2020, 03:56:16 pmBoy I sure wouldn't pick a Wing Commander (or a BN Commander) who had never held any prior command. I hope I'm not reading that into your suggested experience flow. I would agree with your other points though.

Didn't say I support that notion. But writing it into stone removes flexibility in cases of "We really need someone."


And many of those "we really need someone" cases don't end well.

Major truth. Colonel truth even.

But it doesn't mean they don't exist. Or the person who doesn't meet the normally-expected criteria is a better candidate than those that might.

Being a commander doesn't mean you were a good commander.

I fully agree with that last statement, Hornet. Let's say "completion of a successful command tour at the next lower level", would be a valid requirement. That is essentially the existing criteria on record for Region Command screening (see CAPR 35-9, 1AUG17). We have on occasion used a past performance record of success as an evaluation input when screening someone for successively higher slotting (I know I have, when looking at GP/CC candidates) but the skill sets don't always have a fully 1:1 match. We presume that demonstrated Knowledge, Skills and Abilities (KSAs) used at the lower level will lower the risk of a mismatch at Group, Wing, or Region command level.

Making (*successful, not box checking) prior command experience a desired factor as in 35-9 is a risk management tool, no less.

We do NOT require that members hold command to meet the upper Levels, and I hope we never consider doing that. Here's where my Spidey sense tickles a warning: there's a certain persona type who we've all seen at work and CAP who seeks command or influence purely for self aggrandizement, and making command selection a necessary element of PD advancement could strongly increase the tendency for those types to seek command for commands sake, rather than in the spirit of servant leadership.

If command were a mandatory path to complete Levels, some of the petty tyrants currently enjoying their fiefdoms as comm gurus, supply kings, or cadet programs gate keepers and key masters might pollute us further by setting their sights on command ticket punching. We've all seen people "serving time" uselessly or dangerously at Wing level, punching their ticket, and while we can tolerate these, I would not care to run the corporate risk of pumping more in through the command track.

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TheSkyHornet

Quote from: Eclipse on April 15, 2020, 04:33:20 amThere's no requirement to be assigned to the 001 charter as your primary.

Lots of people do Wing level jobs while still being at lower lever units
that's what sets up a lot of the circle report structures and conflicts of
interest, but regardless, that's the CAP today, not likely to change.

I'm on Wing staff and hold a post with a squadron. My unit ID is listed as my squadron.


And, Spam, I think you and I are on the exact same page. It's all about situational awareness, knowing who your candidates are, and asking around about them.