Started by Stonewall, September 19, 2019, 04:20:03 pm
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Quote from: Eclipse on September 19, 2019, 04:50:58 pmFrankly I'd just as soon as they went away. (Group staff, CC, CD, multiple times).In theory they are supposed to reduce the span of control, but between lack of manpower, "you can't make me", and people going VFR direct to and from Wing because people do that sort of thing, it can be very difficult to feel like you're accomplishing anything but checking boxes and being the "this is your problem" guy when things go sideways.If you're knowledgeable on the program, and press people to observe the chain and stay in their lane, you can be effective, but it takes a lot of will and effort to maintain that constant walk against the wind.Perfect example is someone who used to be very active here.He took over a Group with a number of units that were either failing or troubled, and inherited a few people on his staff who thought they were "Co-commander". The types that not only disagree in private, but challenge decisions made in front of subordinates.Lots of "you can't make me" "I'll tell dad", etc., etc.He spent the better part of two+ years adjusting attitudes, getting people to toe the line, and basically fixed the major issues.The Wing CC randomly visited his area one night, and without even asking the Group CCwhether he had an opinion or had made other decisions, etc., essentially undid 2 years ofwork in about 40 minutes.Group CC left CAP with a bad taste shortly thereafter, and without his being involved, the issues returned. That Group was dissolved not too long after that to try and spread the fun around.I had a great time as Group CC as it gave me a lot of access, and multiple ways to move things forward, but I also had a lot of grief for the reasons above.There's also a pretty inconsistent understanding about what is supposed to be inspected during an SUI.As to required positions, it's the same as any other charter, but if you expect to get anything done, you need knowledgeable experienced people doing it full time, not ADY, and then you have to walk theline of "how much is intrusive?"As a unit CC, I need the autonomy to run my unit as I see fit, but as a Group CC I need to know that my "intent" is being followed.Regardless, don't show up unannounced, that goes double for your staff.Don't double billet people, or give them jobs at multiple echelons (especially the same job), and your subordinate CC's should not hold any other jobs anywhere else. CC is a full-time job.And make sure your staff understands that the only CC is you, and any hairbrained "policies" need to be run by you first.
Quote from: jeders on September 19, 2019, 06:57:25 pmThe best way to describe a good group commander, in my opinion, is as a filtering lens.
Quote from: PHall on September 19, 2019, 05:51:22 pmGroups are needed if you're a wing that has a lot of territory and units to cover. Places where span of control is a very real and physical thing.Places like California, Texas, Florida and New York.Just like anything else they have their purpose.
Quote from: jeders on September 19, 2019, 06:57:25 pmI'm definitely not in the "burn it to the ground" camp, at least not on this topic, but I can certainly understand those who are.In my personal experience (however limited that may be with two squadron CC tours and currently serving on group staff), there are three types of group commander. The first type only steps in to facilitate the mission or the growth of the members. The second type is apathetic at best and ends up wasting people's time and resources because they don't care enough to get involved. Then you have the type that actively tries to stop some people from advancing because they want to build up their own personal fiefdom. I've seen all three and have witnessed the effects of each.The best way to describe a good group commander, in my opinion, is as a filtering lens. Wing says, "do this NOW, or else," so you focus the message in order to help the squadrons understand why it's best for them to do the thing and also help them do the thing. Squadrons whine, moan, and gather their torches and pitchforks; so you go to wing and say, "hey boss, I'm getting some feedback about your new directive, can we talk?" You shouldn't be there to add additional burden or red tape to anyone, but rather to help relieve the burden both on the wing and the squadrons.
Quote from: etodd on September 19, 2019, 11:27:25 pmHow often are Wing Commanders having a Commanders Meeting, with top staff people and the Group Commanders? Ours seems to do it often. Maybe that is why everyone seems to be "on the same page".
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