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majdomke
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« Reply #40 on: July 31, 2019, 08:24:53 PM »

Ever visit California?  We have a semi trailer full of those, along with matching sets of ABU in sizes CAP cannot wear.  Want a nice matching set of size 52?
I’m in California. When can we come take some off your hands?
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Dwight Dutton
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« Reply #41 on: July 31, 2019, 09:36:51 PM »

Ever visit California?  We have a semi trailer full of those, along with matching sets of ABU in sizes CAP cannot wear.  Want a nice matching set of size 52?
I’m in California. When can we come take some off your hands?

Not kidding.  PM me.
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« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2019, 09:45:09 PM »

OK. I'm the guy who doesn't know jack about uniforms, so I'll ask the question that pops into mind. Has the AF at any time pondered the idea of just coming up with specific CAP outdoor uniform, so that we would not have to chase what they wear and have these issues? And maybe while they are at it, make it reflective orange, instead of the non-sensible camo?  Design it to be the uniform for the next 50 years, no matter what the enlisted AF members wear?

There is an alternative "Blue" BDU uniform available.

That was my thought exactly.  "Specific CAP Outdoor Uniform"  Yes, They already have.  All Seniors and Over 18 cadets who are outside of CAP height/weight Standards are already eligible to wear this uniform.
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« Reply #43 on: August 04, 2019, 10:24:00 PM »

OK. I'm the guy who doesn't know jack about uniforms, so I'll ask the question that pops into mind. Has the AF at any time pondered the idea of just coming up with specific CAP outdoor uniform, so that we would not have to chase what they wear and have these issues? And maybe while they are at it, make it reflective orange, instead of the non-sensible camo?  Design it to be the uniform for the next 50 years, no matter what the enlisted AF members wear?

There is an alternative "Blue" BDU uniform available.

That was my thought exactly.  "Specific CAP Outdoor Uniform"  Yes, They already have.  All Seniors and Over 18 cadets who are outside of CAP height/weight Standards are already eligible to wear this uniform.

Think the point was to drop all of the combat utilities in favor of the BBDU. Make an actual uniform out of the catalog of uniforms. Got my vote.
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« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2019, 06:44:57 AM »

OK. I'm the guy who doesn't know jack about uniforms, so I'll ask the question that pops into mind. Has the AF at any time pondered the idea of just coming up with specific CAP outdoor uniform, so that we would not have to chase what they wear and have these issues? And maybe while they are at it, make it reflective orange, instead of the non-sensible camo?  Design it to be the uniform for the next 50 years, no matter what the enlisted AF members wear?

There is an alternative "Blue" BDU uniform available.

That was my thought exactly.  "Specific CAP Outdoor Uniform"  Yes, They already have.  All Seniors and Over 18 cadets who are outside of CAP height/weight Standards are already eligible to wear this uniform.

Maybe a better name for that? Because ALL uniforms are “outdoor uniform” at some point.


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« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2019, 04:21:05 AM »

Depending on the base you're at. Currently AF personnel can not buy them at March ARB, Los Angeles AFB and Edwards AFB.
Subject to change if AAFES and DLATS ever get their acts together.

As of today El Segundo AFB (Los Angeles) does not seem to be aware that OCP exist.  The shelves are still full of RABU.  They even had some Army ACU on sale
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« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2019, 05:12:31 AM »

Depending on the base you're at. Currently AF personnel can not buy them at March ARB, Los Angeles AFB and Edwards AFB.
Subject to change if AAFES and DLATS ever get their acts together.

As of today El Segundo AFB (Los Angeles) does not seem to be aware that OCP exist.  The shelves are still full of RABU.  They even had some Army ACU on sale

You do realize that Los Angeles AFB is research and development base. They don't have an "operational" mission, they have a procurement mission.
Which is why they have Northrop-Grumman, Boeing, Space X, Raytheon and The Aerospace Company for neighbors.
They'll be one of the last bases to start selling the OCP's.
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« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2019, 10:18:56 AM »

I'm responding to Mitchell 1969's comment about an outdoor CAP uniform. As another poster mentioned, dress uniforms are also worn outdoors, so perhaps "general purpose utility uniform" could describe Mitchell 1969's intent. I've dealt with uniforms of this type for volunteer fire departments and volunteer EMS. This thread is about the supply problem, so I'll limit myself to that.

Large organizations like USAF tell manufacturers what to make and they make it. Small organizations pick from what the manufacturers are offering. What's offered changes according to what's fashionable. Shades of color vary from manufacturer to manufacturer. To be thrifty and allow members to be thrifty, small organizations must specify uniforms that are flexible with respect to shades of color and pocket configuration. For additional flexibility, small brand labels and logos should be allowed.

Any outerwear should be allowed so long as it does not have offensive wording or images, or indicate affiliation with a different organization.  Just cover the outerwear with a high-visibility vest, unless its already high-visibility.
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« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2019, 03:40:35 PM »

Depending on the base you're at. Currently AF personnel can not buy them at March ARB, Los Angeles AFB and Edwards AFB.
Subject to change if AAFES and DLATS ever get their acts together.

As of today El Segundo AFB (Los Angeles) does not seem to be aware that OCP exist.  The shelves are still full of RABU.  They even had some Army ACU on sale

You do realize that Los Angeles AFB is research and development base. They don't have an "operational" mission, they have a procurement mission.
Which is why they have Northrop-Grumman, Boeing, Space X, Raytheon and The Aerospace Company for neighbors.
They'll be one of the last bases to start selling the OCP's.

I've been going to this base on a regular basis since they were on both sides of the street - about 30 years ago.
Point was they have a full supply of all sizes of ABU, and I did not see a single person wearing OCP anywhere on the whole installation and I was there most of the day.
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« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2019, 07:12:30 PM »

Depending on the base you're at. Currently AF personnel can not buy them at March ARB, Los Angeles AFB and Edwards AFB.
Subject to change if AAFES and DLATS ever get their acts together.

As of today El Segundo AFB (Los Angeles) does not seem to be aware that OCP exist.  The shelves are still full of RABU.  They even had some Army ACU on sale

You do realize that Los Angeles AFB is research and development base. They don't have an "operational" mission, they have a procurement mission.
Which is why they have Northrop-Grumman, Boeing, Space X, Raytheon and The Aerospace Company for neighbors.
They'll be one of the last bases to start selling the OCP's.

I've been going to this base on a regular basis since they were on both sides of the street - about 30 years ago.
Point was they have a full supply of all sizes of ABU, and I did not see a single person wearing OCP anywhere on the whole installation and I was there most of the day.

Perhaps you found the location that all other Post Exchanges are sending their remaining surplus ABU and ACU supplies as they stock their shelves with new OCPs.  ;)
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« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2019, 08:17:56 PM »

Depending on the base you're at. Currently AF personnel can not buy them at March ARB, Los Angeles AFB and Edwards AFB.
Subject to change if AAFES and DLATS ever get their acts together.

As of today El Segundo AFB (Los Angeles) does not seem to be aware that OCP exist.  The shelves are still full of RABU.  They even had some Army ACU on sale

You do realize that Los Angeles AFB is research and development base. They don't have an "operational" mission, they have a procurement mission.
Which is why they have Northrop-Grumman, Boeing, Space X, Raytheon and The Aerospace Company for neighbors.
They'll be one of the last bases to start selling the OCP's.

I've been going to this base on a regular basis since they were on both sides of the street - about 30 years ago.
Point was they have a full supply of all sizes of ABU, and I did not see a single person wearing OCP anywhere on the whole installation and I was there most of the day.

Perhaps you found the location that all other Post Exchanges are sending their remaining surplus ABU and ACU supplies as they stock their shelves with new OCPs.  ;)

You assume that AAFES can be efficient, you know better then that! At least I hope you know better then that! >:D
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« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2019, 08:31:28 PM »

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You assume that AAFES can be efficient, you know better then that! At least I hope you know better then that! >:D

There needs to be a "facetious" emoji. Just saying.
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« Reply #52 on: August 12, 2019, 05:34:25 PM »

Depending on the base you're at. Currently AF personnel can not buy them at March ARB, Los Angeles AFB and Edwards AFB.
Subject to change if AAFES and DLATS ever get their acts together.

As of today El Segundo AFB (Los Angeles) does not seem to be aware that OCP exist.  The shelves are still full of RABU.  They even had some Army ACU on sale

You do realize that Los Angeles AFB is research and development base. They don't have an "operational" mission, they have a procurement mission.
Which is why they have Northrop-Grumman, Boeing, Space X, Raytheon and The Aerospace Company for neighbors.
They'll be one of the last bases to start selling the OCP's.

I've been going to this base on a regular basis since they were on both sides of the street - about 30 years ago.
Point was they have a full supply of all sizes of ABU, and I did not see a single person wearing OCP anywhere on the whole installation and I was there most of the day.

Perhaps you found the location that all other Post Exchanges are sending their remaining surplus ABU and ACU supplies as they stock their shelves with new OCPs.  ;)

I actually think this may be the case.  No AAFES will want to stock both and the leftovers have to go somewhere.
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« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2019, 02:59:52 AM »


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Actually, no they won't. AAFES can not sell OCP's to Air Force personnel, and I have lumped CAP into the Air Force personnel category for the sake of argument, until a date to be determined.
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Fort Riley happily sold me OCPs and I showed them an AF CAC to get them. :)
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« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2019, 04:44:37 PM »




Actually, no they won't. AAFES can not sell OCP's to Air Force personnel, and I have lumped CAP into the Air Force personnel category for the sake of argument, until a date to be determined.
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Fort Riley happily sold me OCPs and I showed them an AF CAC to get them. :)
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This depends on the base you're at. Example: you can get them at Travis AFB but you can't at Edwards AFB.
AAFES is rolling out the OCP's in stages.
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« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2019, 07:55:51 PM »

Are we done here?

Yup, done.
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