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Picy3
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« on: July 10, 2019, 08:11:06 PM »

I am going to be a Flight Commander This year at AKWG Summer Encampment. I have experience as Support at two other encampments and Flight Sgt and Flight Com at my squadron.

I am just looking for tips (Aside from communication and making sure me and my flight sergeant have it/knowing my material) that you've seen or used that helped. Even just things you have done that either helped the cadets or is something that may work better against problems that may come up. Really anything you've seen at encampment as line that may help us have a really successful week.
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chacharoo
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2019, 03:20:17 AM »

Make sure everything you say and do has a training purpose behind it that you can explain.

If you make a mistake, donít get flustered, and donít let your flight know it. They should look up to you and think youíre so remarkably well trained that you donít make mistakes, and they want to be just like that during their week.

If your flight has 5 minutes to change from PTUs to utilities, you need to do that in 3. Same goes for chow, they have 10 minutes? You need to be done in 5. You need to exceed the standards set for them.

Make sure they have instruction/direction every waking hour, even during call to quarters (I know thatís their personal time) but you should still be reminding them of the things they can be doing during that time so they donít get too relaxed or get themselves into trouble.

Most importantly, itís a learning experience for yourself as well. Everyday youíll realize you can make improvements and youíll learn plenty of new things throughout the week.

Have fun!


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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2019, 03:40:37 AM »

If your flight has 5 minutes to change from PTUs to utilities, you need to do that in 3. Same goes for chow, they have 10 minutes? You need to be done in 5. You need to exceed the standards set for them.

Um, no.

That's why there are set times.

The last thing you want or need is a flight standing up early and messing with the whole rotation.

Do things in the time allotted.  Don't be late, but don't artificially make things harder.
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2019, 03:43:04 AM »

Make sure they have instruction/direction every waking hour, even during call to quarters (I know thatís their personal time) but you should still be reminding them of the things they can be doing during that time so they donít get too relaxed or get themselves into trouble.

DO NOT impinge on personal time which is explicitly set forth as having no training.

You do not need instruction / direction every waking hour.  Do the things you are supposed to be doing,
which, if your encampment plans properly, will be more then clear by the time you get to RST.

Familiarize yourself with this: https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/media/cms/Encampment_Guide_2017_3285B33361E56.pdf

Encampment time is regimented and precious, but it is not BMT.

See here, too: http://captalk.net/index.php?topic=24327.0
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2019, 03:46:05 AM »

If your flight has 5 minutes to change from PTUs to utilities, you need to do that in 3. Same goes for chow, they have 10 minutes? You need to be done in 5. You need to exceed the standards set for them.

Um, no.

That's why there are set times.

The last thing you want or need is a flight standing up early and messing with the whole rotation.

Do things in the time allotted.  Don't be late, but don't artificially make things harder.

Eclipse, you misunderstood what I meant. I meant as the flight commander you need to be done quicker, not the students.


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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2019, 03:47:37 AM »

Make sure they have instruction/direction every waking hour, even during call to quarters (I know thatís their personal time) but you should still be reminding them of the things they can be doing during that time so they donít get too relaxed or get themselves into trouble.

DO NOT impinge on personal time which is explicitly set forth as having no training.

You do not need instruction / direction every waking hour.  Do the things you are supposed to be doing,
which, if your encampment plans properly, will be more then clear by the time you get to RST.


Again, not what I meant


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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2019, 03:53:05 AM »

Regardless, the response is the same.

Yes, move with a purpose.

No, do not cut your own time for things by 1/2.  That is an unnecessary level of pressure.
Encampments are generally planned out well in advance and take these things into account.

A cadre cadet who has already been to at least one encampment is generally going to be
able to do the require tasks is the requisite time with no "where's my stuff?" drama,
which in and of itself cuts the actual time down, without needing to artificially set a harder bar.

Cadre also know well in advance what they need to do and have, so again, no "I can't find my pants
excitement" as you see from newer students.

There is no impetus to drive a 15 year old CF into the ground.

And the personal time is personal time for all, especially the cadre.

Set the tone and example, don't be "that guy". The best cadre are the calm in the storm.
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