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ozone
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« on: April 02, 2019, 01:17:19 PM »

I am hoping some CAP members from the Portland/Vancouver area have some ideas here.  If anyone can direct me to options for rental planes, charitable pilots, other ideas? 

My aunt is ready to scatter my uncle's ashes out to sea.  I will be in the PDX area for this around the end of May.  If folks have some ideas on how I can get this accomplished for her, I would really appreciate it.

thanks for any ideas/replies.

Maj. Jackson Maddux
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TheSkyHornet
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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2019, 01:52:56 PM »

To scatter at sea by air, you'll need to notify the EPA, and the ashes must be scattered at least 3 nautical miles from the nearest shoreline. There isn't an FAA restriction on it (cremation remains are not HAZMAT/Dangerous Goods). The urn/vessel must be disposed of separately (not thrown out of the aircraft window).

You should consider the method by which you dump the ashes out of the aircraft (how you plan to transfer the ashes from the interior to the exterior, avoiding "blow back" where the ashes return inside the aircraft---you don't want a mouthful).

I can't speak for who is willing to permit it, since I don't live up that way. A flight school or air charter may be willing. I'll let the Oregonians chime in on that.

Does it have to be by air, or is there a by-sea (i.e., boat) option?
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2019, 04:23:35 PM »

^^^ Avoid blowback.   Rubber hose held out the window. Will create a vacuum in the hose. Other end carefully use in box to vacuum out remains. Clean, simple, and efficient.

If no CAP members there, call any FBO and find a Independent CFI. They'll keep the process "simple".  :)
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2019, 05:03:10 PM »

https://www.flyingmag.com/scattering-ashes

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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2019, 05:22:34 PM »

The urn/vessel must be disposed of separately (not thrown out of the aircraft window).

For a sea dispersal, if using one of those Himalayan salt urns available online, the entire urn could be literally thrown out of the aircraft (as long as it doesn't create a hazard to persons or property below).  Assuming the salt urn doesn't break upon impact with the water, it will dissolve and sink within a few hours.

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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2019, 05:56:10 PM »

The urn/vessel must be disposed of separately (not thrown out of the aircraft window).

For a sea dispersal, if using one of those Himalayan salt urns available online, the entire urn could be literally thrown out of the aircraft (as long as it doesn't create a hazard to persons or property below).  Assuming the salt urn doesn't break upon impact with the water, it will dissolve and sink within a few hours.

True.

An urn is only allowed to be "scattered" with the ashes if it's biodegradable. If it's marble or bronze, it has to be disposed of separately (unless kept, obviously).

Like I said, you might want to consider using a boat rather than an airplane. It may be logistically easier, and cleaner. And allows for a little ceremony at that time.

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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2019, 07:48:28 PM »

I've been involved with more than a few of these in freefall and from a plane. The logistics are pretty substantial, and as has been mentioned, the potential for "blowback" is pretty high.

Its not as easy as "Hey, lets rent a 172 and crack the door." As much as it seems that it should be.
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2019, 10:07:54 PM »

A friend of mine and his brother scattered their Dad's ashes over the ocean. Used a Super Cub and flew with the window open.
Guy in the back seat got the urn all the way out and below the window opening before he opened the lid. Didn't get any "blow back".
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ozone
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« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2019, 01:19:19 AM »

Thinking of using this as an ashes delivery device:
https://www.passagesinternational.com/biodegradable-urns/water/economy-pillow/

I like the idea of a salt urn too.  Have to check if they make one that looks like a file folder since a cessna window doesnt open very far....

Thanks for the warnings and advice so far!  I contacted the EPA, that part of the process is pretty simple since you report after you've scattered the ashes. 
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