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etodd
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« on: February 18, 2019, 05:24:01 PM »

I have been given permission to share the new CAPR 70-1U  to anyone interested in seeing it:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ws88i2kanu8b1vw/CAPR%2070-1U%20v2.docx?dl=0

And like any other CAP document, subject to revision any time.

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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2019, 07:50:33 PM »

I understand this is a draft, subject to change.  But I am confused, and perhaps I am missing something (I read through this draft rather fast):

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4.1.2. CAP sUAS Mission Pilot
4.1.2.1.To operate as a CAP sUAS Mission Pilot in rotary wing or fixed wing sUASthe membermust:
4.1.2.1.1.Be current and qualified in accordance with the requirements of14 CFRPart 107 for a remote pilot certificate;and
4.1.2.1.2 Have successfully completed a CAP sUAS CAPF 5U check flight by a CAP sUAS Check airman within the last 12 calendar months; and
4.1.2.1.2.Have successfully passed a CAP sUAS Mission Pilot Flight Evaluation (CAPF 91U) within the past 12 calendar months;and
4.1.2.1.3.Complete Level I of the senior member professional development program if a senior member.

Then later on it states:
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6.2 Training
6.2.1All CAP sUAS Mission Pilots must complete the NESA Advanced sUAS Pilot Course (or approved equivalent).

I am thinking of going for the Part 107, just "because".  Nevertheless, if I can I use it on an ES, great.  But then I am curious if NESA attendance will be required.  Or was it thought to be included but later dropped.  Again, I know this is a rather loose "draft".
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2019, 07:53:29 PM »

I think you need to be more clear on your post here.

This "CAPR 70-1U" is not "new." It is a "proposed" or "draft" regulation that has not been released to the field yet in an operational form.

Most specifically, it is not found in the current 0-2



Therefore, its really not binding guidance or directive.

And unlike "any other CAP document," because it is a draft, it is even more so subject to revision, change, our even outright elimination from consideration as a regulation.

You need to use a LOT of caution when posting draft regulations here, and you must be clear that what you're posting is a draft. Even if you have permission.

 
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2019, 07:55:22 PM »

1 - It's a draft (and an old one at that).

2 - If that's the case, this turns into another ARCHER overnight (though doubtful that's the case
as wings are already ramping this up).

3 - This is why regulations, draft or otherwise, aren't supposed to be published out of Dropbox accounts.

This is so far from a "thing" it shouldn't be more then a conversation point.

If it's actually released as a draft, then it's worth commenting on.

If it's actually released, we can all freely whine and complain, but most people
here know how many drafts and plans are put together in CAP every year and never
see the light of day.
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2019, 08:26:24 PM »

A number of folks from several Wings will be training in Montgomery next month.So its more than "just a thing".

The initial instructors, who are now starting to instruct people in Wings to go back and be instructors in their Wings, is already happening.

But I get it. ARCHER and other similar things are before my time at CAP. But I've heard the stories. I understand.

And also yes, since it'll be a year or so before we see the 10 sUAS packages fully rolled out to each Wing, maybe I am jumping the gun a bit?  Not sure. Others are telling me that its a good idea to be prepared ahead of time and be ready to roll, instead of playing catchup. I'm just one trying to keep my Squadron in the loop and be ready when the time comes.  Maybe I should just be the cheerleader there and not online here with everyone else?  IDK.  My motives truly are for the best.
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2019, 08:29:42 PM »

I understand this is a draft, subject to change.  But I am confused, and perhaps I am missing something (I read through this draft rather fast):

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4.1.2. CAP sUAS Mission Pilot
4.1.2.1.To operate as a CAP sUAS Mission Pilot in rotary wing or fixed wing sUASthe membermust:
4.1.2.1.1.Be current and qualified in accordance with the requirements of14 CFRPart 107 for a remote pilot certificate;and
4.1.2.1.2 Have successfully completed a CAP sUAS CAPF 5U check flight by a CAP sUAS Check airman within the last 12 calendar months; and
4.1.2.1.2.Have successfully passed a CAP sUAS Mission Pilot Flight Evaluation (CAPF 91U) within the past 12 calendar months;and
4.1.2.1.3.Complete Level I of the senior member professional development program if a senior member.

Then later on it states:
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6.2 Training
6.2.1All CAP sUAS Mission Pilots must complete the NESA Advanced sUAS Pilot Course (or approved equivalent).



"Approved equivalent"  will be Wing schools once enough Wing Instructors are trained.
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2019, 08:36:00 PM »

And also yes, since it'll be a year or so before we see the 10 sUAS packages fully rolled out to each Wing, maybe I am jumping the gun a bit?  Not sure. Others are telling me that its a good idea to be prepared ahead of time and be ready to roll, instead of playing catchup. I'm just one trying to keep my Squadron in the loop and be ready when the time comes.  Maybe I should just be the cheerleader there and not online here with everyone else?  IDK.  My motives truly are for the best.

No one said anything about motives, but perhaps the Director of this program should be the one sending out the
communications and starting the discussions.

If it's really a year before the first 10 hit units, this really isn't a "thing".

Part 107 training isn't going to hurt anyone, and is a great unit exercise in AE if nothing else,
whether or not it becomes a factor in CAP as anything other then a pet project is a big if and when at this point.
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2019, 08:43:34 PM »



If it's really a year before the first 10 hit units, this really isn't a "thing".

Each Wing will have a unit this year. By the end of next each Wing should have at least 10 minimum. So, well over 500 scattered out.
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2019, 09:01:01 PM »

I have been given permission to share the new CAPR 70-1U  to anyone interested in seeing it:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ws88i2kanu8b1vw/CAPR%2070-1U%20v2.docx?dl=0

And like any other CAP document, subject to revision any time.

Permission from who?  The regulation has not even been published yet. Which means it's not even a regulation yet. How about letting the folks from National do their jobs. It's not a race!
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2019, 09:40:31 PM »

But I get it. ARCHER and other similar things are before my time at CAP. But I've heard the stories. I understand.

To be fair, there was a fair amount of "gatekeeping*" with Archer, since there were only 16 airplanes and systems.  Several systems per wing = more difficult to gatekeep.

* Gatekeeping - When someone takes it upon themselves to decide who does or does not have access or rights to a community or identity.

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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2019, 09:59:31 PM »

But I get it. ARCHER and other similar things are before my time at CAP. But I've heard the stories. I understand.

To be fair, there was a fair amount of "gatekeeping*" with Archer, since there were only 16 airplanes and systems.  Several systems per wing = more difficult to gatekeep.

* Gatekeeping - When someone takes it upon themselves to decide who does or does not have access or rights to a community or identity.
Not to mention, ARCHER was a prototype system with no manufacturer support.
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2019, 10:25:31 PM »

But I get it. ARCHER and other similar things are before my time at CAP. But I've heard the stories. I understand.

To be fair, there was a fair amount of "gatekeeping*" with Archer, since there were only 16 airplanes and systems.  Several systems per wing = more difficult to gatekeep.

* Gatekeeping - When someone takes it upon themselves to decide who does or does not have access or rights to a community or identity.
Not to mention, ARCHER was a prototype system with no manufacturer support.

Which is definitely a benevolent way to characterize the situation.

2 weeks, in-residence training?  It was the same mentality of "you need to know who this works in order to operate it"
mentality that make radio ops a hassle.  It's what kills most of these programs.

Bottom line, the further away from the squadron the training for a new toy is,
the less likely the average member will ever get near it.  If you have to leave the wing,
it's never going anywhere significant.
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2019, 12:39:36 AM »


Bottom line, the further away from the squadron the training for a new toy is,
the less likely the average member will ever get near it.  If you have to leave the wing,
it's never going anywhere significant.

Exactly. On target. Which is why this is all drilling down to local. First the “trainers of the trainers” was done. Now the process of bringing in people from Wings is happening. These people will be new trainers who can start training new members inside their Wings. And eventually we’ll have trainers at various squadrons in each Wing.

Just like we have with airplanes. No one has to travel very far (usually) to get their F5 or F91s. The sUAS Program is rolling out to reflect that.
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