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« Reply #40 on: November 18, 2018, 08:39:48 PM »

I already saw last night a post on social media where someone said "I wish CAP would adopt the greens; they're so classy."

I hesitated to reply with "If you want to wear them so bad, you should have enlisted."

I have enough of a problem with constant uniform changes. I have an even greater issue when non-military members begin to insert themselves into discussions on military uniforms and how they wish they got to wear them, too.

Sorry for the soap box here. This is a real peeve.
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« Reply #41 on: November 18, 2018, 08:40:14 PM »

The Army just went to blues not that long ago.  Seriously there better ways to invest in ones time and budget.

Terrible decision, IMHO. Greens were just fine, but someone got caught up in the "good idea fairy" of uniform changes.
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« Reply #42 on: November 18, 2018, 08:50:27 PM »

Of the rumors I've heard, the third picture that Eclipse posted, with the pleated breast pocket and the waist belt is the tunic/blouse/coat design they decided to go with.

The Woman's version will come with the upper false pocket flaps unattached so the Soldier can have them sewn on in a position appropriate their anatomy. This will help them line up their nametag, awards and decorations better than previous tunics/blouses/coats that did not have upper pockets of false flaps. This was asked for by the Female Soldiers that took part in the wear testing.

Both Barracks and Garrison Covers will be authorized and berets for everyone will be going away. (Thank God)

Enlisted Soldiers will sew their rank on their shirt sleeves and unit patches, Skill Tabs and SSI-FWTS will also be worn on the shirt shoulder sleeves by Enlisted and Officers alike.

The debate for Officer Shirts is to either pin a Rank and a Branch insignia on the shirt collars (see the female Major in Eclipse's first picture) or to add epaulets to the shirt and wear brown Rank slides (see the major in OldGuy's picture in the Pregnancy Uniform), similar to the black slides that are currently worn with the Blues and with the old Greens. This would mean they'd have two different shirts for Officers and Enlisted or Enlisted would have epaulets that were not used on their shirts.

I hope they go with the slides, they're just easier.
Psss! Similar to the Marine Corps. JUST SAYING

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« Reply #43 on: November 19, 2018, 06:34:36 PM »

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Psss! Similar to the Marine Corps. JUST SAYING

The Army and Marine Corps have always shared similar uniforms.

At the turn of the last Century, the uniforms of the Army Field Artillery and Coastal Artillery were nearly identical to the Marine Corps Uniform except for Buttons Collar devices and Hat Badge.

During WWI, Marines were issued Army Uniforms for ease of the Logistical requirements of both Services in France.

The colors of the WWII Pinks and Greens were clearly different from the Forrest Green of the Marine Service Uniform, the same will be true of these modern versions and the current Marine Service Uniform.
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« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2018, 07:23:34 PM »

The uniforms of the Coastal Artillery and the Field Artillery had to be the same or similar, and they were the same uniforms the rest of the US Army ground forces were wearing! After all, Field Artillery and Coast Artillery were part of the US Army...

A bit more of history.

The Coast Artillery came to existence when the War Department split the Field Artillery around 1905.

Believe me, I volunteered at Battery Gunnison, Fort Hancock New Jersey for the Army Ground Forces Association for about 5 years. We restored that battery to how it looked in 1943. And had to purchase a lot of gear. Winter Service Uniform. Summer Service Uniform. Fatigue uniform. And the Army Blue fatigues as well. Field pack. Etc. I still have my collection of DUIs.

And in support of all that I had to read a lot. A lot of manuals, Coast Artillery Journals, and other books.


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« Reply #45 on: November 19, 2018, 08:43:27 PM »

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The uniforms of the Coastal Artillery and the Field Artillery had to be the same or similar, and they were the same uniforms the rest of the US Army ground forces were wearing! After all, Field Artillery and Coast Artillery were part of the US Army...

I'm referring to the fact that Army uniforms had piping on the tunic and the trouser leg striping that matched the respective Branch color for which they served in (i.e. Cavalry - Yellow, Infantry - Light Blue, Signal Corps - Orange, etc.).

Field Artillery and Coastal Artillery Branch color was RED so the tunic piping and trouser stripe would be nearly identical to the piping and trouser stripe of the Marine Corps.

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« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2018, 09:54:35 PM »

Sorry but it was not clear.

You are right, the colors of the Coast Artillery were gold and crimson. Or yellow and red. As was the Artillery. The DUI of the different Coast Artillery districts were, all yellow and red:

1 shell, in a diamond, First Coast Artillery District. Protected Maine, Ct, RI.

2 shells, in a parallelogram, Second Coast Artillery District. Protected NY, DE, NJ. And the Delaware River all the way to Philadelphia. Why did PA, away from the coast, needed CA protection? PA Navy Yard, and all the Dupont chemical plants, all on the DE river...

3 shells, in a circle, Third Coast Artillery District. Protected Virginia, all the way down south.

4 shells, in a diamond, Fourth CA District.

1 shell atop a 9-point star, Ninth CA District. Protected the Pacific Coast.

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« Reply #47 on: November 19, 2018, 11:33:47 PM »

Terrible decision, IMHO. Greens were just fine, but someone got caught up in the "good idea fairy" of uniform changes.

This is one of the best and most sensible uniform decisions the Army has made during my service...
Going to a unisex uniform is a HUGE step in the right direction.
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« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2018, 06:46:59 PM »

Terrible decision, IMHO. Greens were just fine, but someone got caught up in the "good idea fairy" of uniform changes.

This is one of the best and most sensible uniform decisions the Army has made during my service...
Going to a unisex uniform is a HUGE step in the right direction.

It's not unisex...  :o
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« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2018, 10:04:46 PM »

Terrible decision, IMHO. Greens were just fine, but someone got caught up in the "good idea fairy" of uniform changes.

This is one of the best and most sensible uniform decisions the Army has made during my service...
Going to a unisex uniform is a HUGE step in the right direction.

Oh, I agree this change will be good. Not sure if I was clear:  ASU was awful.

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« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2018, 01:28:06 PM »

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ASU was awful.

It was alright as a Dress Uniform but a PIA for a Service Uniform, looking forward to the new Uniform.
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« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2018, 02:00:53 PM »

So does this mean the beret is going away?  IMO, it was a major eyesore with the ASU.  It looked like crap with a beret.

Picture it...Pinks and greens with black beret......   >:D
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« Reply #52 on: November 21, 2018, 02:53:08 PM »

The beret is history.
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« Reply #53 on: November 21, 2018, 02:56:12 PM »

It was alright as a Dress Uniform but a PIA for a Service Uniform, looking forward to the new Uniform.

When I was doing the Army Cadets gig, I had Class A's and then Dress Blues. Dress blues were excellent and I liked them a bunch.

We made the switch to ASU and I never wore Class B ASU after that. I was unmoto to switch.  If it wasn't ACUs or ASU, I wasn't doing it.

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« Reply #54 on: November 21, 2018, 03:30:09 PM »

So does this mean the beret is going away?  IMO, it was a major eyesore with the ASU.  It looked like crap with a beret.

Picture it...Pinks and greens with black beret......   >:D

Yes, if you're not in a Ranger, Airborne, Special Forces units or the Security Force Assistance Brigade no more Beret.

The question is, when the ASU goes back to being just a optional Dress Uniform again, what headgear (Cover) will Specialists and below wear?
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« Reply #55 on: November 21, 2018, 03:57:33 PM »

So does this mean the beret is going away?  IMO, it was a major eyesore with the ASU.  It looked like crap with a beret.

Picture it...Pinks and greens with black beret......   >:D

Yes, if you're not in a Ranger, Airborne, Special Forces units or the Security Force Assistance Brigade no more Beret.

The question is, when the ASU goes back to being just a optional Dress Uniform again, what headgear (Cover) will Specialists and below wear?

Same thing they wore before the change.
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« Reply #56 on: November 21, 2018, 04:40:18 PM »

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Same thing they wore before the change.

So we hope.

When the ASU was the Dress Blue Uniform, everyone wore a Barracks Cover and had Gold Striping on the Trouser legs. When it became the ASU, Specialists and below lost the Gold Striping and only Corporals and above were authorized the Barracks Cover.

I hope some good idea faery doesn't decide to keep the Beret for Dress wear.

I'd like to see the Barracks Cover and Trouser striping come back for everyone.
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« Reply #57 on: November 21, 2018, 11:08:19 PM »

From the sounds of it, the garrison cap will be standard issue, service cap as an option.

Already read something about the appropriate color jump boots being commissioned.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the Airborne patch may make a comeback as well. It would be nice to see it again.
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« Reply #58 on: November 22, 2018, 12:04:10 AM »

Well, selection is not up to me but I predict those boot's color will be...

BROWN!

Based my prediction in that the US Army wore Brown shoes and boots when they wore the old Pinks and Greens...



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« Reply #59 on: November 22, 2018, 04:06:11 PM »

Well, selection is not up to me but I predict those boot's color will be...

BROWN!

Based my prediction in that the US Army wore Brown shoes and boots when they wore the old Pinks and Greens...

The Army has already said they're brown. There is a brown jump boot out there already:  Corcoran Historical Jump Boot . Hopefully, the Army will be smart, and just go with that one. No need to reinvent the wheel, but you never know with the government.

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