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BraveRifles19D
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« on: October 17, 2018, 01:06:01 AM »

Just a quick question regarding the Mitchell test. Since there is a Leadership test and an Aerospace test, do they both have to be taken on the same night or can it be split into two nights?
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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2018, 01:15:37 AM »

There are no tests are required to be taken on the same night. They can be split up between two meetings. Congrats on the promotion in advance
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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2018, 01:58:54 AM »

Only the no tests are required to be taken on the same night. They can be split up between two meetings. Congrats on the promotion in advance
I got my Mitchell in 1990, but thanks, lol! Just wondering since we have a few cadets coming up on it.

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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2018, 12:12:11 PM »

Only the no tests are required to be taken on the same night. They can be split up between two meetings. Congrats on the promotion in advance
I got my Mitchell in 1990, but thanks, lol! Just wondering since we have a few cadets coming up on it.

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I believe only the Spaatz has to be taken on the same night.
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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2018, 02:54:01 PM »

When I took my Mitchell, I took them on separate nights. I agree with Spaatz. I'm about to take it, and was told that all of the tests have to be taken on the same night.

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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2018, 03:00:53 PM »

When I took my Mitchell, I took them on separate nights. I agree with Spaatz. I'm about to take it, and was told that all of the tests have to be taken on the same night.

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The only reason they have Spaatz on the same night is so Cadets can't have time to prepare for the next section. They must be prepared for all section on that one day
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2018, 03:24:17 PM »

Logical explanation.
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2018, 03:28:57 PM »

The only reason they have Spaatz on the same night is so Cadets can't have time to prepare for the next section. They must be prepared for all section on that one day

Why would you believe that to be the case?  NHQ isn't looking to "gotcha" candidates, or make the process unnecessarily stressful,
but there are non-trivial logistical issues that come into play.

Unlike all of the rest of the tests, which can be administered by squadron TCOs, and performed locally,
the Spaatz tests are required to be proctored by at least two specially-appointed senior members, and in most cases the cadet must travel somewhere to meet them
at a venue appropriate to the CPFT test, regardless of weather.  In larger states it's not uncommon for cadets to have to travel hours
to get to the test location.

If individual sessions were allowed per-exam type, the process of just initial testing for the first tries could literally take months to
coordinate (during a time most candidates are already starting to watch the Doomsday Clock, if not already up against deadlines).

Re-tests are only for the portion(s) not completed successfully in the previous attempt, with three total attempts regardless of the number
of failures, so that basically allows for the "prep for the next test".
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2018, 03:31:43 PM »

The only reason they have Spaatz on the same night is so Cadets can't have time to prepare for the next section. They must be prepared for all section on that one day

Why would you believe that to be the case?  NHQ isn't looking to "gotcha" candidates, or make the process unnecessarily stressful,
but there are non-trivial logistical issues that come into play.

Unlike all of the rest of the tests, which can be administered by squadron TCOs, and performed locally,
the Spaatz tests are required to be proctored by at least two specially-appointed senior members, and in most cases the cadet must travel somewhere to meet them
at a venue appropriate to the CPFT test, regardless of weather.  In larger states it's no uncommon for cadets to have to travel hours
to get to the test location.

If individual sessions were allowed per-exam type, the process of just initial testing for the first tries could literally take months to
coordinate (during a time most candidates are already starting to watch the Doomsday Clock, if not already up against deadlines).

Re-tests are only for the portion(s) not completed successfully in the previous attempt, with three total attempts regardless of the number
of failures, so that basically allows for the "prep for the next test".

I never knew a cadet might have to travel a few hours to test. I just figured that once the first attempt started. They didn't have time to prepare until they take their 2nd attempt.
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2018, 03:34:25 PM »

The only reason they have Spaatz on the same night is so Cadets can't have time to prepare for the next section. They must be prepared for all section on that one day

Why would you believe that to be the case?  NHQ isn't looking to "gotcha" candidates, or make the process unnecessarily stressful,
but there are non-trivial logistical issues that come into play.

Unlike all of the rest of the tests, which can be administered by squadron TCOs, and performed locally,
the Spaatz tests are required to be proctored by at least two specially-appointed senior members, and in most cases the cadet must travel somewhere to meet them
at a venue appropriate to the CPFT test, regardless of weather.  In larger states it's not uncommon for cadets to have to travel hours
to get to the test location.

If individual sessions were allowed per-exam type, the process of just initial testing for the first tries could literally take months to
coordinate (during a time most candidates are already starting to watch the Doomsday Clock, if not already up against deadlines).

Re-tests are only for the portion(s) not completed successfully in the previous attempt, with three total attempts regardless of the number
of failures, so that basically allows for the "prep for the next test".

I highly agree with this one as well! I'm about to request my first attempt at the Spaatz exam, and the Wing Testing Officer, who I've heard will be the proctor, lives in Nevada, so it will be interesting to see how the traveling works out. Wish me luck, y'all… I'd appreciate it!
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2018, 03:34:55 PM »

The only reason they have Spaatz on the same night is so Cadets can't have time to prepare for the next section. They must be prepared for all section on that one day

Why would you believe that to be the case?  NHQ isn't looking to "gotcha" candidates, or make the process unnecessarily stressful,
but there are non-trivial logistical issues that come into play.

Unlike all of the rest of the tests, which can be administered by squadron TCOs, and performed locally,
the Spaatz tests are required to be proctored by at least two specially-appointed senior members, and in most cases the cadet must travel somewhere to meet them
at a venue appropriate to the CPFT test, regardless of weather.  In larger states it's not uncommon for cadets to have to travel hours
to get to the test location.

If individual sessions were allowed per-exam type, the process of just initial testing for the first tries could literally take months to
coordinate (during a time most candidates are already starting to watch the Doomsday Clock, if not already up against deadlines).

Re-tests are only for the portion(s) not completed successfully in the previous attempt, with three total attempts regardless of the number
of failures, so that basically allows for the "prep for the next test".

I highly agree with this one as well! I'm about to request my first attempt at the Spaatz exam, and the Wing Testing Officer, who I've heard will be the proctor, lives in Nevada, so it will be interesting to see how the traveling works out. Wish me luck, y'all… I'd appreciate it!

Good Luck!! :clap:
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2018, 03:37:56 PM »

Thanks. And thanks, Eclipse, for all of the wisdom  ;)
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2018, 03:42:26 PM »

I never knew a cadet might have to travel a few hours to test. I just figured that once the first attempt started. They didn't have time to prepare until they take their 2nd attempt.

In my wing, for example, the majority of the proctors live to the North, while the furthest cadets are 5-6 hours South,
even "meeting in the middle" would mean a 3+ drive for everybody.

Thanks. And thanks, Eclipse, for all of the wisdom  ;)

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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2018, 03:45:15 PM »

I never knew a cadet might have to travel a few hours to test. I just figured that once the first attempt started. They didn't have time to prepare until they take their 2nd attempt.

In my wing, for example, the majority of the proctors live to the North, while the furthest cadets are 5-6 hours South,
even "meeting in the middle" would mean a 3+ drive for everybody.

Thanks. And thanks, Eclipse, for all of the wisdom  ;)

I live to serve.

I'll keep y'all updated. Any advice on how to study for Spaatz? I'm already studying, but just wondering.
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2018, 03:46:49 PM »

I never knew a cadet might have to travel a few hours to test. I just figured that once the first attempt started. They didn't have time to prepare until they take their 2nd attempt.

In my wing, for example, the majority of the proctors live to the North, while the furthest cadets are 5-6 hours South,
even "meeting in the middle" would mean a 3+ drive for everybody.

Thanks. And thanks, Eclipse, for all of the wisdom  ;)

I live to serve.

I'll keep y'all updated. Any advice on how to study for Spaatz? I'm already studying, but just wondering.

The cadets from our squadron literally just read over the chapter review in the books. Most of them passed
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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2018, 03:50:27 PM »

I never knew a cadet might have to travel a few hours to test. I just figured that once the first attempt started. They didn't have time to prepare until they take their 2nd attempt.

In my wing, for example, the majority of the proctors live to the North, while the furthest cadets are 5-6 hours South,
even "meeting in the middle" would mean a 3+ drive for everybody.

Thanks. And thanks, Eclipse, for all of the wisdom  ;)

I live to serve.

I'll keep y'all updated. Any advice on how to study for Spaatz? I'm already studying, but just wondering.

The cadets from our squadron literally just read over the chapter review in the books. Most of them passed

Thanks.
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