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Gunsotsu
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« on: August 01, 2018, 02:30:56 PM »

Where does the QCUA round? If a unit needed 40% of 56 for Wright Brothers as of 31AUG18 that would be 22.4. Would a unit in this example need 22 cadets to satisfy the requirement, or 23?
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TheSkyHornet
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2018, 02:54:19 PM »

I don't believe it rounds because you have to achieve the percentage rate.

If the percentage required is 40%, and you are at 39%, you didn't hit the mark.
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Gunsotsu
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2018, 03:28:35 PM »

Therein lies the confusion. Looking at data of other squadrons within the wing, I've found examples of things rounding up (17.8 to 18 for one category), but none rounding down. There has to be some rounding involved one way or another because we can't have fractional cadets, I'd just like to see some clarification on what it is.
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SarDragon
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« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2018, 03:59:45 PM »

You would need 23 cadets to achieve the 40%.

23/56 = 41.1%
22/56 = 39.3%, a no-go
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Dave Bowles
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Gunsotsu
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2018, 04:36:43 PM »

You would need 23 cadets to achieve the 40%.

23/56 = 41.1%
22/56 = 39.3%, a no-go

56*0.4= 22.4

22 is a go.

And?
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Eclipse
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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2018, 04:51:17 PM »

You would need 23 cadets to achieve the 40%.

23/56 = 41.1%
22/56 = 39.3%, a no-go

56*0.4= 22.4

22 is a go.

And?

Is it?  That's why the question is raised.

22 cadets, is, as indicated, 39.2 % of 56, not 40.

So how is 22 a go when it's less then 40%?  Since you can't have a percentage of
a cadet, it has to be 23.

And yes, it's that close, I've had situations where the unit was QCUA, and then one new cadet
joins and you're not any more.

With that said, rather then guess, just go look at the report, which will have the actual answer.
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TheSkyHornet
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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2018, 04:58:26 PM »

You would need 23 cadets to achieve the 40%.

23/56 = 41.1%
22/56 = 39.3%, a no-go

56*0.4= 22.4

22 is a go.

And?

Is it?  That's why the question is raised.

22 cadets, is, as indicated, 39.2 % of 56, not 40.

So how is 22 a go when it's less then 40%?  Since you can't have a percentage of
a cadet, it has to be 23.

And yes, it's that close, I've had situations where the unit was QCUA, and then one new cadet
joins and you're not any more.


With that said, rather then guess, just go look at the report, which will have the actual answer.

Been there as well. It's hard to take in a flood of new cadets at one time and keep the numbers up. It's in the retention to try and maintain them over the next year. If you retain, say, 50% of your incoming cadets and are always bringing in more cadets each year, it's a struggle to hit that metric.

So 22 out of 56 being 39.3%, and 23 out of 56 being 41.1%, the issue here seems to be why 39 doesn't equal 40. Well, if you took that under any other metric, nothing else equals 40 either. 21 cadets out of a roster of 56 is 37.5%, which also doesn't equal 40. So you're obviously going to always be under 40% until you cross it with enough cadets.

If you were to have a unit of 100 cadets, having 39 of them achieve C/SSgt doesn't equate to 40 of them achieving C/SSgt. You're one short of the accomplishment.

Because you can't have four-tenths of a cadet, you need a whole cadet to hit the 40%, as Eclipse pointed out.

Is it that significant of a deal?
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GaryVC
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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2018, 07:22:52 PM »

Personally, I think this is the most difficult metric to hit in the QCUA especially for a large squadron. We have received this award the last several years but have never been close on the Wright Brothers criteria.
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