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Crazy_About_CAP
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« on: June 26, 2018, 07:07:41 PM »

Hello, and thank you in advance for your help. Newbie alert!

I joined CAP (Indiana Wing) with my son in November and have been accepted as a TAC officer for encampment in July.

Is there anything besides what is on the cadet packing list that I should not be without?

          https://www.inwg.cap.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/INWG-Encampment-Packing-List.pdf

-Tim


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I_Am_Twigs
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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2018, 07:20:47 PM »

The list looks pretty complete to me, only thing I see missing is a watch.
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Mitchell #68874
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Mitchell 1969
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2018, 07:37:02 PM »

Hello, and thank you in advance for your help. Newbie alert!

I joined CAP (Indiana Wing) with my son in November and have been accepted as a TAC officer for encampment in July.

Is there anything besides what is on the cadet packing list that I should not be without?

          https://www.inwg.cap.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/INWG-Encampment-Packing-List.pdf

-Tim


Modified: Added URL to packing list.

Not trying to be pedantic, but standardization of various terms is trying to catch up.

No more “TAC Officer.” The new nomenclature is “Training Officer.”


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I_Am_Twigs
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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2018, 07:55:01 PM »

Hello, and thank you in advance for your help. Newbie alert!

I joined CAP (Indiana Wing) with my son in November and have been accepted as a TAC officer for encampment in July.

Is there anything besides what is on the cadet packing list that I should not be without?

          https://www.inwg.cap.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/INWG-Encampment-Packing-List.pdf

-Tim


Modified: Added URL to packing list.

Not trying to be pedantic, but standardization of various terms is trying to catch up.

No more “TAC Officer.” The new nomenclature is “Training Officer.”


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Idaho must still be behind on that one too  ::) we still have "TAC Officers" we like to call them TACOs
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Mitchell #68874
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GaryVC
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2018, 08:01:53 PM »

The belt for the ABU is sand not blue. As a senior you may not need ABUs or PT gear but check with the senior TO or whoever is responsible.
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Mitchell 1969
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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2018, 09:15:26 PM »

Hello, and thank you in advance for your help. Newbie alert!

I joined CAP (Indiana Wing) with my son in November and have been accepted as a TAC officer for encampment in July.

Is there anything besides what is on the cadet packing list that I should not be without?

          https://www.inwg.cap.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/INWG-Encampment-Packing-List.pdf

-Tim


Modified: Added URL to packing list.

Not trying to be pedantic, but standardization of various terms is trying to catch up.

No more “TAC Officer.” The new nomenclature is “Training Officer.”


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Idaho must still be behind on that one too  ::) we still have "TAC Officers" we like to call them TACOs

When I was a Tactical Officer, I barely tolerated being called a TAC Officer. Being called a “TACO” was something up with which I would not put.


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Crazy_About_CAP
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« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2018, 09:25:49 PM »

Not trying to be pedantic, but standardization of various terms is trying to catch up.

No more “TAC Officer.” The new nomenclature is “Training Officer.”


No worries, this is my first post, and it's good to know. Incidentally, the job description PDF says TAC Officer, but the acceptance letter says Training Officer;D
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Eclipse
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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2018, 10:06:25 PM »

Familiarize yourself with the documents found here, maybe even bring them with, including
the student documents.

https://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/programs/cadets/activities/encampment/encampment-curriculum
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Slim
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2018, 03:27:12 AM »

Looking forward to my first Indiana Wing encampment too.
Even for a TAC/Training officer, that list is pretty well complete, even bringing PT clothing, if nothing else for sleeping.  Maybe a few suggestions for you to think about, but certainly not required:  a can or two of your favorite air freshener (student funk will be strong after a couple three days), a couple of black sharpies, bandaids and moleskin.
A couple of suggested items straight from the command team:  A sense of humor, some patience, and a willingness to word hard and have fun.
It's going to be a great week.

Edit:  I'd certainly give the documents linked a perusal, but no need to bring them with you.  We'll have guides available when you get there.  If not, I'll give you my set.
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TheSkyHornet
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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2018, 09:24:32 AM »

If your Encampment is anything like ours from last week, be prepared for the need to provide (to others and yourself) plenty of moleskins, neosporin, and Tylenol/Ibuprofen.

Lucky for me, in treating someone else's foot injuries (assuming this was the source), I earned myself two finger infections >_> That's what I get for not wearing gloves...
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swodog
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2018, 10:48:32 AM »

Is that pronounced TAAAAAKO or TACO? ;D

Hello, and thank you in advance for your help. Newbie alert!

I joined CAP (Indiana Wing) with my son in November and have been accepted as a TAC officer for encampment in July.

Is there anything besides what is on the cadet packing list that I should not be without?

          https://www.inwg.cap.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/INWG-Encampment-Packing-List.pdf

-Tim


Modified: Added URL to packing list.

Not trying to be pedantic, but standardization of various terms is trying to catch up.

No more “TAC Officer.” The new nomenclature is “Training Officer.”


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Idaho must still be behind on that one too  ::) we still have "TAC Officers" we like to call them TACOs
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Eclipse
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2018, 11:01:04 AM »

If your Encampment is anything like ours from last week, be prepared for the need to provide (to others and yourself) plenty of moleskins, neosporin, and Tylenol/Ibuprofen.

Most encampments have a Health Safety Officer and a budget for that stuff, not to mention that even OTC stuff
needs to be tracked.

Check with them before spending money, and especially before giving out anything, even snacks.
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TheSkyHornet
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2018, 11:25:21 AM »

If your Encampment is anything like ours from last week, be prepared for the need to provide (to others and yourself) plenty of moleskins, neosporin, and Tylenol/Ibuprofen.

Most encampments have a Health Safety Officer and a budget for that stuff, not to mention that even OTC stuff
needs to be tracked.

Check with them before spending money, and especially before giving out anything, even snacks.

True.

However, keep in mind that the role of your HSO is not to act as a nurse/medical staff member, but to advise on health-related issues.

We had a supply cache of OTC items and bandages; however, training officers had extra supplies on hand that were shared among the senior members regardless of their availability to cadets. The packing lists are generally developed to prepare for assisting cadets (and seniors often forget to take care of themselves).

I had my own first aid kit that I had to tap into nightly for myself or my senior counterparts, not to mention having to swipe some ibuprofen off my cohorts.

I think we were averaging about 4 hours of sleep for seniors, so be prepared for that.
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2018, 12:39:52 PM »



I think we were averaging about 4 hours of sleep for seniors, so be prepared for that.

Hey, SkyHornet, that's not good, pal!

You have my sympathy, though. I've experienced staying up late getting the plan of the day for the next day complete and then dying during PT with the cadets at dawn... and then we stopped doing that. Nowadays, aside from the odd night where you have to stay up (e.g. a cadet injury and ER visit you have to support, following which you should be on excused, mandatory rest duty until noon), senior members should be getting a full night of sleep as well. To be AVERAGING 4 hours is a safety issue as well as an impact on good training.  The safety implications are serious (e.g. inattention while driving cadets, while in HAAs like rappelling and firearms familiarization), and as sleep duration and quality decline you may end up with short tempers and bad decision making (e.g. Georgia Wing cashiered a Commandant of Cadets years ago who punched one of the TACs in an argument - both were short of sleep on a Thursday morning). "Don't Be That Guy", right?


So, for our newer SMs and new Encampment staff - that's not normative - don't accept that, I would say.  You need to carve out sleep time and curtail ALL activity outside rest hours, by mandate. If you don't have the manpower to plan/staff/execute and supervise the events and the number of cadets you have planned, then you need to reduce the scope of the event, and/or reduce the number of cadets accepted (so be it). Encampment leadership needs to check on this (also a final check before departure - see the CAPM 60-70 Handbook, Section 2.10.d to review the participants sleep plan prior to releasing them to drive home).


Ned - suggest this might be a good thing to address in the next update to 60-70.


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TheSkyHornet
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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2018, 04:21:50 PM »

Well, take into consideration that Encampments get structured to ensure the students have their 8.5 hour rest opportunity free from interruptions.

So if you schedule, say lights out from 2100 until 0530 (8.5 hours), that still leaves the cadre and senior staff with their additional work requirements. Cadet cadre have to have 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep time, which is a pretty challenging feat as most cadre seem to stay up beyond that to finish up tasks for the next day. Don't forget the downtime the cadre is permitted to have throughout the day.

If wakeup is at 0530, that means staff should expect to be up prior to that to be prepared. This excludes the several middle of the night wakeups we had of the "I don't feel good" crowd.

This is pretty consistent with my previous Encampment experiences. Some people get a decent rest. I'm not fortunate enough for that. Some got naps in during the day. Didn't happen for me. Between the late night stuff a few of us had to get done and morning prep duties, it was a tight schedule.

But I'm not new to that type of an environment. Just be prepared to not get 8 hours of cozy time to yourself.
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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2018, 04:36:15 PM »


Truth there!

So, a derived requirement then for a SM packing list:  caffeine supplements.

 ;)


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