Should be required for anyone who wants a CC badge, included in the UCC curriculum, and speakers like this should be the keynotes at Wing conferences and PD sessions.
Sorry. No time to watch a 45 minute video. But...“Leaders eat last” bugs the heck out of me. Because it has become, to some people, a meaningless slogan rather than a leadership concept. There are times when leaders don’t or can’t eat last, but doing otherwise earns them a stink eye because the SLOGAN has been violated, even though good leadership practice has not. I’ve seen it happen when people have shoved a bunch of cadets through the chow line, while the “leaders eat last.” Trouble is, that means the cadets finish first and the leaders finish last. Somewhere along the line, time gets wasted. Cadets are left waiting or leaders have to rush for no good reason. Also, the opportunity for leaders to conduct business over a meal gets lost when they can’t get a head start, eat, meet and get back to business. This slogan isn’t engraved in stone. It speaks to a concept. That concept can be met without strictly adhering to it. Such as...having a flight sergeant go first in line, then cadets, then the flight commander (yes, there will be other lower ranking cadets behind the flight commander, violating the slogan. But if every leader waited until every cadet ate first there would be a loose pack of cadets waiting for leaders). Anyway, it’s a slogan reflective of leadership, not an inviolable rule. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
To me the idea that "Leaders eat last" means that leaders are making sure their troop are taken care of properly (meals, billeting, etc). It does not necessarily mean that a flight commander should always eat last like others have stated. It is a concept of servant leadership meaning to put the needs of others over your own.
Quote from: kwe1009 on June 18, 2018, 06:22:32 PMTo me the idea that "Leaders eat last" means that leaders are making sure their troop are taken care of properly (meals, billeting, etc). It does not necessarily mean that a flight commander should always eat last like others have stated. It is a concept of servant leadership meaning to put the needs of others over your own.Sure, the Flight Commander can eat last, as long as the Flight Sergeant ate first.Need to have some leadership out there when the rest of the flight gets done eating.
Sorry. No time to watch a 45 minute video. But...
The Great McGuire Airshow Debacle of 2007. ((*snip*))The concept of Leaders Eat Last was completely lost on the adults in charge, and embraced by the cadet officers and NCOs. The adults were always first in line for chow while many cadets went without food; registration was closed so the adults could party with the fighter pilots (even though a couple hundred people had no bunks assigned); cadets were left in parking lots for hours without relief or refreshments.
I think you missed my point because you took "leaders eat last" literally. The point is make sure you take care of your people above your own needs/wants.
The Great McGuire Airshow Debacle of 2007.The concept of Leaders Eat Last was completely lost on the adults in charge, and embraced by the cadet officers and NCOs. The adults were always first in line for chow while many cadets went without food; registration was closed so the adults could party with the fighter pilots (even though a couple hundred people had no bunks assigned); cadets were left in parking lots for hours without relief or refreshments.The cadet officers and NCOs stepped up and took care of their people to the best of their ability. Real leaders appeared that weekend, some barely old enough to shave.
Quote from: EMT-83 on June 19, 2018, 03:01:24 AMThe Great McGuire Airshow Debacle of 2007.The concept of Leaders Eat Last was completely lost on the adults in charge, and embraced by the cadet officers and NCOs. The adults were always first in line for chow while many cadets went without food; registration was closed so the adults could party with the fighter pilots (even though a couple hundred people had no bunks assigned); cadets were left in parking lots for hours without relief or refreshments.The cadet officers and NCOs stepped up and took care of their people to the best of their ability. Real leaders appeared that weekend, some barely old enough to shave.See, whenever I see a video like this (and I can’t stand Sinek) I’m like “yeah, duh, this is basic day 1 stuff”. Then I see a post like this and wonder what is going on in this organization.
See, whenever I see a video like this (and I can’t stand Sinek) I’m like “yeah, duh, this is basic day 1 stuff”. Then I see a post like this and wonder what is going on in this organization.
If you understand and take the idea to heart, good on 'ye, however in theory there's new guys every year who have zero military or management experience being appointed as Unit CC's and activity PICs.
On the whole in my experience, the baseline of leaders in the military seems to be higher than those on the outside (and yeah, you have outliers, just like anything else).
As far as non-prior service commanders not "getting" it, it's almost like we should have a core group of experienced prior and current military folks who are skilled and experienced in lower-level leadership, who have it as part of their reason for existence to help commanders out with this sort of thing...
Quote from: Mitchell 1969 on June 18, 2018, 05:49:14 PMSorry. No time to watch a 45 minute video. But...OK, without putting too fine a point on it, this is..."I have no time for the nuance, so let me just tell you what I think about what I think this is about..."and then brings an edge-case example where something generally accepted "can't work because of this one time at band camp...", missing the point entirely.Actually, the argument you try to make about this concept is a mistake many poor leaders make.Of course if there is a practical reason why the "leader", per se, needs to consume calories first, then of course the leader does so.
Quote from: Eclipse on June 19, 2018, 02:06:08 PMQuote from: Mitchell 1969 on June 18, 2018, 05:49:14 PMSorry. No time to watch a 45 minute video. But...OK, without putting too fine a point on it, this is..."I have no time for the nuance, so let me just tell you what I think about what I think this is about..."and then brings an edge-case example where something generally accepted "can't work because of this one time at band camp...", missing the point entirely.Actually, the argument you try to make about this concept is a mistake many poor leaders make.Of course if there is a practical reason why the "leader", per se, needs to consume calories first, then of course the leader does so.I believe it to have been presumptuous on your part that anyone needed to watch a 45 minute video of your choosing in order to learn some lesson that you believed they needed. My comments, therefore, were stand-alone, about the overuse of the phrase itself and my observation that there is often more emphasis on the phrase than on the point of the phrase. Feel free to disagree if you wish, but you will have the advantage of not having a 45-minute video being foisted upon you. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: Mitchell 1969 on June 19, 2018, 10:29:04 PMQuote from: Eclipse on June 19, 2018, 02:06:08 PMQuote from: Mitchell 1969 on June 18, 2018, 05:49:14 PMSorry. No time to watch a 45 minute video. But...OK, without putting too fine a point on it, this is..."I have no time for the nuance, so let me just tell you what I think about what I think this is about..."and then brings an edge-case example where something generally accepted "can't work because of this one time at band camp...", missing the point entirely.Actually, the argument you try to make about this concept is a mistake many poor leaders make.Of course if there is a practical reason why the "leader", per se, needs to consume calories first, then of course the leader does so.I believe it to have been presumptuous on your part that anyone needed to watch a 45 minute video of your choosing in order to learn some lesson that you believed they needed. My comments, therefore, were stand-alone, about the overuse of the phrase itself and my observation that there is often more emphasis on the phrase than on the point of the phrase. Feel free to disagree if you wish, but you will have the advantage of not having a 45-minute video being foisted upon you. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYour comments are disconnected from the video, so it seems to have not been presumptuous at all.Eclipse, thanks for sharing the video. I've added it to my library.
Quote from: EMT-83 on June 19, 2018, 03:01:24 AMThe adults were always first in line for chow while many cadets went without food; registration was closed so the adults could party with the fighter pilots (even though a couple hundred people had no bunks assigned); cadets were left in parking lots for hours without relief or refreshments.I can't even...
The adults were always first in line for chow while many cadets went without food; registration was closed so the adults could party with the fighter pilots (even though a couple hundred people had no bunks assigned); cadets were left in parking lots for hours without relief or refreshments.