Absent any specific direction in regs, I'd ask your skills evaluator. If you are the SE, you should be able to use your discretion and judgment. Just my 2 cents.
At the end of the AP SQTR Worksheet is a place to enter the "two" actual exercises. Can these be two different targets on one sortie?
Don't forget, SET stands for Skills Elevator Evaluator Trainer, completing the entire sortie process allows for the trainee to be fully evaluated and be provided areas for improvement on the next sortie. You can't do that if you combine both sorties into one.
FTFY!
Quote from: SarDragon on June 11, 2018, 06:58:18 AMFTFY!Ack! Stupid auto correct. Thanks for the assist!Although being an elevator trainer sounds kinda fun too.
Quote from: Fubar on June 12, 2018, 02:46:47 AMQuote from: SarDragon on June 11, 2018, 06:58:18 AMFTFY!Ack! Stupid auto correct. Thanks for the assist!Although being an elevator trainer sounds kinda fun too.It, like aviation, has its ups and downs.
Don't forget, SET stands for Skills Elevator Trainer, completing the entire sortie process allows for the trainee to be fully evaluated and be provided areas for improvement on the next sortie. You can't do that if you combine both sorties into one.
I could argue that after the flight I would still be debriefing the AP trainee on each target separately, which would be a given. And they would be uploading each target's images separately naturally. Its the Regs though ... and its how we will do it. Stop the plane, come inside and complete the assigned sortie. Then go back out and do another target, from scratch.
Doing an engine stop and taking off again misses several key pieces of a sortie, not the least of which is the debriefing and processing the photos, something sorely lacking and many time a full fail during evals.
Quote from: Eclipse on June 09, 2018, 10:09:31 PMDoing an engine stop and taking off again misses several key pieces of a sortie, not the least of which is the debriefing and processing the photos, something sorely lacking and many time a full fail during evals.But you agree they ARE two distinct sorties.
We have a nice airport restaurant just 15 minutes away where you can park the plane literally 50 feet from the door. Its great for missions like this. Halfway between is a steam power plant and also nearby a hydro plant. First sortie shoots the power plant. Look at the files and evaluate them over wings or a burger. With laptop in tow could even upload if desired while eating dessert.See what could be done better and plan for the hydro plant on the return sortie.Make these things fun for the Mission crew. Nourishment and hydration is important between sorties.
Quote from: etodd on June 17, 2018, 12:59:39 AMWe have a nice airport restaurant just 15 minutes away where you can park the plane literally 50 feet from the door. Its great for missions like this. Halfway between is a steam power plant and also nearby a hydro plant. First sortie shoots the power plant. Look at the files and evaluate them over wings or a burger. With laptop in tow could even upload if desired while eating dessert.See what could be done better and plan for the hydro plant on the return sortie.Make these things fun for the Mission crew. Nourishment and hydration is important between sorties.Fun, maybe. To me, it seems eminently practical. I've been on a few SAREXs where it seemed like food, and a break from the grind for a time weren't really factored in. Yeah, we have missions, but the people need fuel and maintenance just like the rest of our equipment. The essentials of life don't stop because you're in a uniform, and on a mission.
Quote from: Hawk200 on July 22, 2018, 02:03:20 AMQuote from: etodd on June 17, 2018, 12:59:39 AMWe have a nice airport restaurant just 15 minutes away where you can park the plane literally 50 feet from the door. Its great for missions like this. Halfway between is a steam power plant and also nearby a hydro plant. First sortie shoots the power plant. Look at the files and evaluate them over wings or a burger. With laptop in tow could even upload if desired while eating dessert.See what could be done better and plan for the hydro plant on the return sortie.Make these things fun for the Mission crew. Nourishment and hydration is important between sorties.Fun, maybe. To me, it seems eminently practical. I've been on a few SAREXs where it seemed like food, and a break from the grind for a time weren't really factored in. Yeah, we have missions, but the people need fuel and maintenance just like the rest of our equipment. The essentials of life don't stop because you're in a uniform, and on a mission.Well, the Crew Duty Time clock doesn't stop running just because you want a burger. And running out of Crew Duty Day when you're off site will really not make you popular with Air Ops and the IC.
This is so wrong on a number of levels. First is crew rest. A commander's responsibility is to take care of their subordinates. That includes ensuring breaks for meals. No one is going to run out of a duty period for taking an hour or less for a meal.