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RiverAux
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« on: July 02, 2007, 03:13:26 PM »

Does anyone know of a library that has a complete collection of Civil Air Patrol annual reports?  These have been required since we were chartered.  I've never seen some of the earlier ones.

Scanning in these reports and putting them online would be a great project for a CAP historian.  Same goes for Wings that actually publish their own annual reports. 
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2007, 01:26:41 AM »

Does anyone know of a library that has a complete collection of Civil Air Patrol annual reports?  These have been required since we were chartered.  I've never seen some of the earlier ones.

Scanning in these reports and putting them online would be a great project for a CAP historian.  Same goes for Wings that actually publish their own annual reports. 

Possibly the Library of Congress?  It is a report to Congress, after all.  They probably just burn them, though.  Heck, they're trying to decide which blogs to record.  They only have a few books and publications there...I'm sure they'd be easy to find.
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2007, 01:34:36 AM »

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/crecord/index.html

Try the above...but it is true that much of the reporing has not yet been scanned.
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2007, 05:43:48 AM »

Possibly the Library of Congress?  It is a report to Congress, after all.  They probably just burn them, though.  Heck, they're trying to decide which blogs to record.  They only have a few books and publications there...I'm sure they'd be easy to find.

Funny you should mention that.

In 2006, I went to the Libarary of Congress and asked for all of the Reports to Congress.

(I was working on a mathmatical model to estimate the number of former cadets in the world.)

And when the librarian came back, she handed me all five.

Yup, the entire collection.

NHQ has most, but not all.
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2007, 04:17:57 PM »

Possibly the Library of Congress?  It is a report to Congress, after all.  They probably just burn them, though.  Heck, they're trying to decide which blogs to record.  They only have a few books and publications there...I'm sure they'd be easy to find.

Funny you should mention that.

In 2006, I went to the Libarary of Congress and asked for all of the Reports to Congress.

(I was working on a mathmatical model to estimate the number of former cadets in the world.)

And when the librarian came back, she handed me all five.

Yup, the entire collection.

NHQ has most, but not all.

You were right, the judiciary must be the best branch...  :)  Plus, they have better record-keeping.
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2007, 10:27:41 PM »

You would think that they go to Library of Congress....I wonder if NHQ has prodcued the reports but forgot to send in an official copy to Congress?
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2007, 07:24:56 AM »

You would think that they go to Library of Congress....I wonder if NHQ has prodcued the reports but forgot to send in an official copy to Congress?

Well they're given to the Congress critters every year @ the Winter Board meeting.  If it's supposed to be entered into a record somewhere, I dunno...
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2007, 11:52:01 AM »

I have a whole bunch of Reports to Congress (RTC).  Was in National Captial Wing for 15 years where we headed the annual distribution to Congress in DC.  I tried my best to snag one as well as a few of the older ones.  Below is a post I wrote for CadetStuff a year or so ago.

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Membership numbers:

As of 31 Dec 81
Cadets: 23,020
Seniors: 37,668
Total: 60, 688

As of 31 Dec 82
Cadets: 24,645
Seniors: 40,024
Total: 64,669

As of 31 Dec 83
Cadets: 26,104
Seniors: 41,669
Total: 67,773

As of 31 Dec 84
Cadets: 24,900
Seniors: 41,605
Total: 66,505

As of 31 Dec 86
Cadets: 25,940
Seniors: 40,991
Total: 66,931

As of 31 Dec 87 (year I joined)
Cadets: 30,500
Seniros: 42,469
Total: 72,969

As of 31 Dec 88
Cadets: 30,505
Seniors: 42,331
Total: 72,836

As of 31 Dec 89
Cadets: 27,188
Seniors: 40,151
Total: 67,339

As of 31 Dec 90
Cadets: 23,780
Seniors: 36,486
Total: 60,266

As of 31 Dec 91
Cadets: 22,509
Seniors: 35,281
Total: 57,790

As of 31 Dec 92
Cadets: 21,128
Seniors: 34,551
Total: 55,679

As of 31 Dec 93
Cadets: 19,607
Seniors: 33,709
Total: 53,316

As of 31 Dec 94
Cadets: 17,688
Seniors: 33,353
Total: 51,041

For 1995, I can't find the number breakdown, but in the letter to Congress, Gen Anderson says "on behalf of our more than 53,000 members". the 1995 RTC was smaller than the others, I mean, physically smaller, as in it's measurements were smaller for some reason.

As of 31 Dec 96
Cadets: 19,523
Seniors: 33,350
Total: 52,873

As of 31 Dec 97
Cadets: 23,211
Seniors: 33,478
Total: 56,689

As of 31 Dec 98
Cadets: 25,860
Seniors: 34,508
Total: 60,368

As of 31 Dec 99
Cadets: 26,189
Seniors: 35,027
Total: 61, 216

As of 31 Dec 02
Cadets: 26,937
Seniors: 37,598
Total: 64,535

The reason why I have more statistics than RTCs is because some RTCs list membership numbers for previous years that I didn't snag an RTC.

Note: I wonder how much the membership changed due to the middle school initiative. If you subtract those numbers, what are the true numbers. Of course, they still wouldn't be "true numbers" in the sense that just because we have x number of members doesn't mean we have x number of participating members.
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2007, 01:42:17 PM »

Another number to pull out of the total membership figures is the number of "free" memberships to politicians.  In Indiana, they have done a good job of recruiting politicians.  Current numbers as of today are 601 seniors, 385 cadets = 986 total.  Out of the the 601 seniors, I would guess 150 are "free" memberships.  This figures out about 25% of the senior population in Indiana is not participating other than on paper.

I have felt for a long time that these numbers do not need to be in the general membership reports or they should at least be broken out as another line.  It gives everyone involved a false impression of what the real picture looks like.  In Indiana Wing a few years ago our overall numbers dropped to almost 500 total.  We had a really good legislative guy recruit almost everyone at the state house.  Next thing I see at the National Boards is our Wing Commander getting an award for recruiting ???  They gave away memberships, they did not recruit anyone. 

So, if you read any membership numbers, take them with a grain of salt.  I do not consider "free" worth anything to general population of CAP.  You can do one heck of a recruiting job when you give things away for free.   ;D  Can you imagine what our numbers would look like if you gave a free membership to anyone who walked through the door!
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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2007, 10:57:58 PM »

I disagree.  These "free" memberships to legislators gain us immeasurable PR and name recognition with those who hold our purse strings and the state agencies that turn to us for help with state-funded missions and during state emergencies.

From a cold hard statistical stare, sure they're "padding" our membership numbers.  But I disagree they're not worth anything to the general population of CAP.  They're worth more than their weight in gold! :)

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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2007, 11:59:17 PM »

Giving them to the members of Congress certainly doesn't guarantee that they will be saved.  Someone needs to make sure that at least 1 copy goes to the Library of Congress.
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