In my experience, unprofessional pilot behavior is an extension of unprofessional conduct not related to air operations.An unwillingness to follow regulations, pencil whipping ES and PD requirements, failure to wear a uniform correctly: all behaviors I've seen from pilots that I've refused to fly with. I figure that if they can't get their act together on the ground, why should things be any different in the air?
Quote from: EMT-83 on May 06, 2018, 04:39:44 PMIn my experience, unprofessional pilot behavior is an extension of unprofessional conduct not related to air operations.An unwillingness to follow regulations, pencil whipping ES and PD requirements, failure to wear a uniform correctly: all behaviors I've seen from pilots that I've refused to fly with. I figure that if they can't get their act together on the ground, why should things be any different in the air?You know, that Patton guy may have been on to something...
A lot of broad generalizations there. ^^^ There must be much more to this than pilots flying with the wrong color t-shirts or socks. If there are un-safe pilots, there are already an abundance of rules and regs to weed them out. Nothing new needed, other than some folks on high cracking down.I still don't get the mystery of the letter.
Quote from: etodd on May 06, 2018, 07:14:10 PMA lot of broad generalizations there. ^^^ There must be much more to this than pilots flying with the wrong color t-shirts or socks. If there are un-safe pilots, there are already an abundance of rules and regs to weed them out. Nothing new needed, other than some folks on high cracking down.I still don't get the mystery of the letter.Read the reports of the recent Civil Air Patrol aircraft accidents. Then explain them. Q.E.D.
Quote from: OldGuy on May 06, 2018, 07:56:33 PMQuote from: etodd on May 06, 2018, 07:14:10 PMA lot of broad generalizations there. ^^^ There must be much more to this than pilots flying with the wrong color t-shirts or socks. If there are un-safe pilots, there are already an abundance of rules and regs to weed them out. Nothing new needed, other than some folks on high cracking down.I still don't get the mystery of the letter.Read the reports of the recent Civil Air Patrol aircraft accidents. Then explain them. Q.E.D.Of course. But my point above is that we already have everything we need evaluate pilots and also to boot out the unsafe pilots. Seems the problem is not more education or check rides. Its an "enforcement problem".
A lot of pilots "know better", and refuse to take subtle suggestions that their behavior is potentially causing issues.I don't know, like maybe discussing things openly that are best left to private conversations, and insisting "it's no big deal"?Extrapolate this to other issues where a pilot "knows better" and you might start to see the issue.And attempts to minimize or trivialize this by escalating important, but less critical areas pilots routinely ignore the rules, like proper uniform wear, are just more indication of the issues. There's a reason that the FRO checklist has to include a question about towbars. Yes, Patton got it right - the uniform is a tool to judge a person's "buy in" to the program vs. picking and choosing the parts someone thinks are "a big deal". The "wrong t-shirt", per se, isn't going to down an airplane, it's the attitude of "what's the big deal?". The uniform is supposed to be a visceral reminder that you are now engaged in more then a $100 hamburger run. Yes, it starts when you get dressed for duty.The unfortunate thing is that the problem members (and this basically includes all facets of CAP) won't see themselvesin the mirror, and the ones who aren't an issue will just get additional hassle as reward for their hard work and dedication.Until you start requiring regular in-face participation at more then annual academies and the occasional O-rideday of not-only pilots but anyone who wants to maintain a qual, little is going to change.There's also the nontrivial issue(s) of members who can fly CAP airplanes and never complete Level 1, and who have never met their Unit Commander.How about instead of slide decks on "professionalism", pilots are required to complete PD at the same level of anyother member, instead of waving the "I already do enough flag" all the time?As an organization, CAP has already spent decades doing everything it can in favor of "retention of pilots", perhapspure numbers aren't the end all?I would hazard membership in an organization that stressed excellence, standards, and expectation of performancewould have little issues with "retention" (or recruiting).Of course like any course correction, that will make some people sad, and cost members in the short term, which isn't something CAP generally is willing to do.
But do I think that is going to decrease accident levels, or whatever is bringing all this up? No, my becoming a PAO or something has very little to do with my piloting skills.
Again, cite the wrong direction to somehow impugn the idea.
Quote from: Eclipse on May 06, 2018, 08:51:03 PMYes, Patton got it right - the uniform is a tool to judge a person's "buy in" to the program vs. picking and choosing the parts someone thinks are "a big deal". The "wrong t-shirt", per se, isn't going to down an airplane, it's the attitude of "what's the big deal?". The uniform is supposed to be a visceral reminder that you are now engaged in more then a $100 hamburger run. Yes, it starts when you get dressed for duty.Dressing for duty? ^^^ Why is that even an issue? Who is allowing folks out of uniform to fly planes? Its all in the rule book. Its not an education issue. Its an enforcement (leadership) problem.
Yes, Patton got it right - the uniform is a tool to judge a person's "buy in" to the program vs. picking and choosing the parts someone thinks are "a big deal". The "wrong t-shirt", per se, isn't going to down an airplane, it's the attitude of "what's the big deal?". The uniform is supposed to be a visceral reminder that you are now engaged in more then a $100 hamburger run. Yes, it starts when you get dressed for duty.
Commanders,Over the last few years, CAP has seen a number of aircraft mishaps and accidents that were, without a doubt, avoidable. At least three of these accidents have occurred here in Pacific Region. Working towards reversing this trend, Maj Gen Smith rolled out his “Institutional Excellence in Mission Accomplishment” goal as part of his “Six Areas of Emphasis” which he introduced at upon taking command last August. One of the aspects of this goal is to improve aircrew professionalism. Attached is a memo from Gen Smith outlining this initiative. Please review and make sure that it is forwarded to all CAP aircrew members including pilots, observers, scanners and airborne photographers. You should also ensure that it is posted on your websites for future reference. Let’s all do our part to improve the level of aircrew professionalism in Pacific Region and continue to work towards PCR being the safest region in the nation.Regards,Col Jon Stokes, CAPPacific Region Commander
A Civil Air Patrol Cessna 182 from the Kentucky Wing was involved in an incident at Clarksville Regional Airport in TN this afternoon. The plane's single occupant, a CAP pilot, is being evaluated at a local hospital. The incident is under investigation.
More pics - http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2018/05/cessna-182r-skylane-n5419e.html